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Locusts. Simple chess variant with only two set of pieces on each army. (12x12, Cells: 144) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Oh, I had downloaded the zrf and looked at it on zillions, if it isn't clear in description, it should be made clear lol.
Good work pointing that out.
Camelopard Chess. 
Game with Camelopards. (12x12, Cells: 144) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Hi, sorry HaruN Y, I didn't notice you can click on them.
Alright, so it appears Charles Gilman talked about the Zerdinal and Tribune in 2008.
Aurelian Florea then used the Zerdinal, calling it 'Sangoma' in 'Grand Apothecary Chess-Modern' in 2021 and Bob Greenwade also used this piece, calling it 'Kuhani' in 'Short Sliders (and the Leapers Who Love Them)' in 2023.
As for the Tribune, unless there is a game from Charles he used it in, 'Camelopard Chess' could be the Tribune's first appearance in a game.
And for the Camelopard, 'Camelopard Chess' seems still to be the first game this piece has played in.
Oh, and thanks all for the info!!
Some interesting pieces in this game, I'm wondering if this is the first game with the 'Camelopard' in it.
It's first appearance is as you say from R.J.Darvall. You can see the chess problem here: 'Variant Chess' #2, April-June, 1990, page 20, 'Fairy Chess Review' 1949, R.J.Darvall, mate in 2. Amazing from the year 1949, so yes, this could be the first game ever it is in, if anyone knows another, please say.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the Tribune: (2,0)+(3,3) leaper and the Zerdinal: Slides diagonally, or makes a (3,2) leap are named by Charles Gilman with his thousands of piece creations lol. Is that where you got them from, and if so, are these the first games they also have ever been in. If anyone knows another game they are in, please say!!
Anyway, good work on the game.
Locusts. Simple chess variant with only two set of pieces on each army. (12x12, Cells: 144) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Nice to see a game with the Locust in it and it's a great idea too, well done.
Bishop-Nightrider compound. Piece that moves like bishop or nightrider.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Information I have on this piece is ...
G. P. Jelliss invented a game called 'Twenty-First Century Chess' in 1991. In this game there is a piece that moves as a Bishop and Nightrider. Also in this game is a piece that moves as Rook and Nightrider.
See 'Variant Chess 6' April-June 1991, page 70. (This is a different game from Karl Munzlinger's game of the same name).
Unsure when he first invented the actual name 'Banshee', but the piece is there in his game. Dang it, now I'll have to research when he first used the name!! Link to how you can see 'Variant Chess 6' and other chess publications here ..
https://www.mayhematics.com/p/p.htm
edit>>> See this link here, by George Jelliss in 2002, 'Variant Chess Games' where the game is described and the name 'Banshee' is used (and 'Raven' for Rook + Nightrider) for his 1991 game. Look under 'T' for 'Twenty-first Century Chess'.
There will be a part 2, not too far away, believe it or not!!
Ramayana Chess. Chess variant inspired by the Ramayana epic. (Cells: 84) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]In the description of the pieces it says ...
The 'Shikari' Master of the wilderness. Combines Knight and Alfil (AN).
However, if you look at the Zillions zrf file for this game, done by Peter Aronson, the 'Shikari' moves like a Knight and Dabbaba, the graphic for it is in the style of a 'knight dabbaba' too.
Anyone have info on this, it's interesting because, if this piece is actually a 'knight alfil' combination, it appears to have come just before 'Outback Chess' which has a knight alfil piece, but only days before amazingly, going by webpage date created. They have both come out about the same time.
They both seem to be the earliest use of this piece in a game, the Knight Alfil was mentioned by J.P. Jelliss, in his 'Theory of Moves', 4 January 2001. He called it a 'Hospitaler'
The piece has been around for awhile, the earliest info i have on it is ...
Knight-Fers and Knight-Alfil tours were first given by Abu-Bakr Muhammad ben Yahya as-Suli, born circa 880, died 946 ad. They are reproduced in numerical form in H.J.R.Murray's 'A History of Chess' 1913, p.336.
Chess with Different Armies. Betza's classic variant where white and black play with different sets of pieces. (Recognized!)[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Ahh ok, thanks Fergus, interesting to know, much earlier than I thought. Thank heavens Wikipedia wasn't wrong lol.
Amazon. See Amazon. Can move as queen or as knight.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Jean-Louis, thanks for your great info on the Amazon!! Some of your details should be added to the page, but, it is in the comments now, at least. You really are a great wealth of knowledge on chess pieces, thanks!!
Chess with Different Armies. Betza's classic variant where white and black play with different sets of pieces. (Recognized!)[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]I have always thought this game was first created in 1996 by Ralph Betza, however, I notice Wikipedia says this ..
Chess with different armies (or Betza's Chess[1] or Equal Armies[2]) is a chess variant invented by Ralph Betza in 1979.
Is that right.
Amazon. See Amazon. Can move as queen or as knight.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]It says here ..
'The Amazon was invented (but not under this name) in the middle ages'.
So, where is this info from, do we know the name of it when it was invented.
Also, it appears with the list of games from earliest on record here, first game mentioned is 'Amazon Chess' from Middle Ages, and it is called an 'Amazon'.
Anyways, just wondering if we know the first name given to it.
Fairy Pieces Part 1. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Hi everyone, hope you are all fine and well.
Alright, I see I actually said 12 years ago nearly that Part 2 would be out soon, so, omg, I'm so sorry, no excuses, I'm just sorry about that ok!!
Let me just say, 'Part 2' will be coming out. Over the years, work has been done on it. I went through the A to Z of games on this site, so many games, so many different Fairy pieces!! At time's I had to stop, it was overwhelming, so much info, in so many diff places stored on my computer, lol, did I go insane at diff points of time, I think I did!!
I do have time now to work on things, and I am. The problem also was, Part 2 is so big it can't be done in one release. It's like a monster, but I think I know how to do it, it will be done in parts, like, 'Fairy Pieces Part 2, Volume 1'. That is the only way. I will get back to you soon (lol) about when I think it will happen.
Oh, Bob, I see you said 'I don't know where Part 2 would draw its material, but I'd love to see more!'
Part 2 is Fairy pieces from everywhere around the world OUTSIDE of Japan, so, just not Shogi pieces, everything else, meaning, so many pieces of course.
Last thing for now, I have noticed that when I stopped doing Part 1 it was cause of the size of the file, 154 pieces, I actually think there could be a 'Fairy Pieces Part 1, Volume 2' release, but I can't get distracted on that right now.
Alright, just will check Part 2 from what I have right now and work out when it can be done!!
Oh, and thanks must go to Byrne Takeshita here on chessvariants for getting me to feel enlivened to do this!! Thanks so much!!
Grand Chess. Christian Freeling's popular large chess variant on 10 by 10 board. Rules and links. (10x10, Cells: 100) (Recognized!)[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]I think that promotion rule is the greatest promotion rule of all time lol. That sword you speak of doesn't worry me, that sword is always over my head anyways, if I'm playing a game or not too hehe.
I think the rule you can only promote to a captured piece is good actually. There are some pretty powerful pieces in this game and this rule prevents an 'overpowering' of the game.
Also, I would say it would be fairly rare to find a pawn promoting before a capture of a piece.
H.G. says 'On the other hand, one could argue that it is a nice tactical dilemma that when you are planning a promotion you should also take care something worthwhile is traded by the time you reach last rank.'
I agree, and it also can lead to interesting play because you could sacrifice a piece knowing that you have a pawn to promote after. Fun times!
Sky 
. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Oh, thanks everyone for fixing the page up, thanks so much.
H.G. said ...
I think this page is also misrepresented in the index: it is mainly a rule description; that it also happens to contain a link to a Zillions file is coincidental.
Yes, you are right, I did this page ages ago and for some reason never did a proper game page, and then it got all these nice comments and I just left it like it is. Maybe sometime I could write a proper game page and add if you want to comment on the game to do it on the 'download the game' page, I dunno lol.
Avatar Chess. Game with avatars that can assume any piece of chess, depending on the fields of the board. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Hi Gerd, hope your fine and well. I'm sure you haven't upset or hurt anyone!! I understand what you said, and it is extremely interesting idea indeed how you describe your game about the board etc.
I don't want to go on about the pawns, but still, I have to say, the game would maintain your 'theme' even if the pawns remained pawns. However, the game as you have it must have a unique feel and play to it!
Would be fun to see the game in action.
Enhanced Courier Chess. Courier Chess with the weaker pieces enhanced.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Should play well, it's nice to see you didn't 'overpower' it.
Avatar Chess. Game with avatars that can assume any piece of chess, depending on the fields of the board. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]It is an interesting idea, though in it's form right now, I think Greg is right, would be hard to see many moves ahead, and also his comment about the pawns.
Pawns make a barrier, they hold the game together, stabilize it. The game would have to be play tested. I feel the game could be good without the pawns being able to change. Pawns should always be pawns, like the King always a King.
But hey, it's your game and I could be completely wrong!! Interesting idea you have, well done.
Abagoren Chess
. Old Bulgarian Chess variant for Zillions of Games.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Well, this is kinda weird lol. I notice I am listed as creating the zrf for this game. I'm pretty sure I did not lol. At the 'zillions of games' site is says this ...
Game: Abagoren Chess
Invented 1844 Implemented by Malcolm Webb, 2013-01-19.
No idea why this game is listed in my info!!
Gods on Pluto . Plays with extremely weak pieces, no pawns, and drops.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Thanks Ben, great work, and the zip would work, all is good.
Alright, I updated by same error message is happening.
Thank you for answering.
This game was created in 2006, it worked from creation. Somewhere down the track, for whatever reason, it must of broken. I'll upload file again, thanks.
Hi all, thought I would say, from very soon till Christmas and the New Year I should be releasing a few games.
There is a Joy Joyce game, there is a few Charles Gilman games, and I have a game I have done myself, which probably will be the first to come out, and another game by myself that may have some new pieces, amazingly, I say amazingly because they are pretty simple pieces but I cannnot see anywhere that they have been used in any games, but I guess we shall see. I'm sure people will know if they exist elsewhere or not.
Thanks ya'll.
Gods on Pluto . Plays with extremely weak pieces, no pawns, and drops.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Hello, sorry, but I asked 2 weeks ago if someone could fix this download link, it doesn't work, is anyone able to do it.
Sorry, but the download link for this game doesn't work. Can some great admin please repair, thanks!!
Atlantean Barroom Shatranj . Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Hi, am I doing something wrong with this game and Grand Shatranj with updating the zip files, it says above it now 'updated' but the zip files are the same still. I went to 'upload or manage files' and deleted old zip file, then uploaded new zip and clicked on 'keep'. This is for this zip here and Grand Shatranj.
Hi, i've also updated this game because of error in 'help', with the Pawn info it said promotion on 8th to 10th ranks instead of 9th to 10th. The error is just in info, not actual ingame play.
Same mistake as other game I posted on just before, lol, sorry.
Grand Shatranj . Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Hi, I've updated this game because of error in 'help', with the Pawn info it said promotion on 8th to 10th ranks instead of 9th to 10th. The error is just in info, not actual ingame play.
Opulent Lemurian Shatranj. Joe Joyce's Shaman and Hero pieces are now on a larger board. (10x10, Cells: 100) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]When you click on the 'Hero' at a1, it can go to c4, and also the War Elephant on d2 can go to f1. This isn't right is it.
Chess with Different Armies. Betza's classic variant where white and black play with different sets of pieces. (Recognized!)[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]I do not know if there is a game with Dabbabarider Fers piece, possible but yeah, I'm not sure. I can't recall seeing one myself.
I never meant for you to change name, I was just giving info. I understand though you might want to change, and Lame Duck is interesting name!!
If I do see a game with the piece I'll let you know.
Great work on 'Silly Sliders', new pieces are interesting. Onyx, Duck and Squire are all original are they not.
They are nice. I would say I'd rather have a Squire than a normal Queen, with the Knight jump. The name 'Duck' is used by George Jelliss with his 'All the King's Men' listings though, but this is ok. Duck .... Fers + Dabbabarider.
Have you played it with someone or a computer, I'd say it must play pretty well. Great work!!
ChessV. Program for playing numerous Chess variants against your PC.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Yes, I clicked on that link and it downloaded ChessV2.3RC1.zip.
Sorry, been away for a bit.
The ShortRange Project . Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]This download link doesn't work again sorry.
Joe, i'm blaming you!!
Grand Shatranj . Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]This download link doesn't work for some reason.
ChessV. Program for playing numerous Chess variants against your PC.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]I can't get that download link to work.
I mean the link to download ChessV 2.3 verison
Also, when i go to your ChessV.org site, on mainpage, I just see the 2.2 version.
Knavish Shatranj . Shatranj style game on 8x8 board.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Sorry if I have done something wrong with the download of the zip file, but it doesn't appear to be working, getting error.
Knavish Shatranj. Shatranj with Knaves and Debtors. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating] Chaturanga - Four Kings - Double Mate. Missing description (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]I'm going to play a game or two of this game on game courier if possible, I notice your comments about this game Kevin, if you want a game you can send me invite, i'll play the black and green side!!
Link is here, i'm giving the link because it is spelt 'chatarunga', not the usual way.
Of course, if we play this game, we are playing with double mate rules that is on this page :)
Oh, if anyone else wants a game, send me an invite, i'll play the black green pieces.
Knavish Shatranj. Shatranj with Knaves and Debtors. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Oh, I see with the site being down recently some stuff was lost, like my game courier game with Carlos I had to redo a move I already had done. I posted here before it went down about releasing a zrf for this game, and i uploaded the game and some screenshots for the download page, should I do that again.
About Game Courier. Web-based system for playing many different variants by email or in real-time.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Hi, when i click on 'what's new' and then 'last game courier move' i get
The Chess Variant Pages: 404 Error - Page not found Welcome to the Chess Variant Pages, a site about games related to, based on, or similar enough to Chess.
We're sorry, but the page https://www.chessvariants.com/pbm/logs.php could not be found.
This page is not listed in our database. The URL may be misspelled, the page may have been removed or renamed, or the page may have never existed.
Here are other pages with the filename of /logs.php:
play/pbm/logs.php
ok, when i click on that i am starting to see games, there is 4 there right now
Heya all, I see Charles Gilman hasn't logged in since 2016, is he still around, still with us. Thanks.
Great Shatranj. Great Shatranj. (10x8, Cells: 80) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Hi Kevin, yes, I'm having a fun game of Sky with Carlos at the moment. I see your playing Joe at Great Shatranj, good luck there, hope you win lol. I'm joking, hope you both draw hehe. I see it's a close game.
I do notice though, the HightPriestess (alfil knight fers) could have a more precise graphic, the one like you using now but has the fers symbol on it. Also, the Warmachine (dabbaba wazir) or Wazaba piece could have a more precise piece graphic too, the one with wazir symbol on it. But it's all ok if you know what is happening.
Yes thanks Joe, I might also throw in a Pasha promotion variant too, seeing you suggested it. But yes, thanks very much, your a true hero!!
So, after all that talk, we can do what we want, haha, amazing, trolled by a master. Well, I think I might do two versions, one where promotion is to General only, and the other promotion only to a lost piece.
Yes Greg, i'll check out your program.
And, I do like the General, it's a nice piece.
I'm fine with the General (Wazir/Fers) too, it's a less power piece than the Pasha, but either one, I don't want to influence Joe at all (lol).
Sorry whaaaatt, whose trying to make you change the promotion rules .. oh, Greg, shame on you!!! How could you!!
Alright, with that said, Joe, interesting idea with the Pasha, pretty powerful piece, Alfil Dabbaba Wazir Fers. Interesting because it isn't in the starting line up. I like it :)
Are you doing this game for your program Chess V Greg. First off, I notice on your 'person info' page, the link to Chess V ....
http://sourceforge.net/projects/chessv
this doesn't seem to work.
I have actually done a zrf file for this, I did it years ago, but I notice it wasn't released, the file is titled 'great shatranj -test' lol, so I must of forgot. I see that I have made pawns able to promote to General, Minister or High Priestess :)
Joe, you need to change your pawn promotion rules, stop making life difficult for everyone :) .. and I sent you an email too, look in your junk email section hehe.
About Game Courier. Web-based system for playing many different variants by email or in real-time.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]the problem occurs straight away, it's like i'm viewing someone else's game ....
ok, I have moved, i had to click the box where it says 'christine bj to move', i didn't realise you had to do that, i'm pretty sure i never did that when i did first move.
as far as setting to 100 and then click 'preview', i can't see that word preview, but i can see a 'view', but after i do that, the board stays same size, wouldn't it have to changed in the setting, i dunno.
at least i have moved lol
oh, and this game is also set at 50, to do with the size, can that be changed, the board is very small, though Carlos and I both use something else to play our moves, still, shouldn't it be set at 100.
I can't make a 2nd move in my game of Sky with Carlos
https://www.chessvariants.com/play/pbm/play.php?game=Sky&log=sissa-zcherryz-2021-44-954
i'm signed in, not sure what is wrong.
Fairy Pieces Part 1 . zillions file with many shogi pieces.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]This page is once again directing someone to the mainpage when you try to download this zrf. Can someone see what is wrong, it has done this before and it was fixed.
Also, I don't really know why, but this file is 'Fairy Pieces Part 1' but it shows in the listing page as simply 'Fairy', can that be changed also to 'Fairy Pieces Part 1'.
Alright, sorry for this, lol. Problem file it appears!!
Enlarged and Improved Chess. Early large-board variant from Holland.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Yes, i see the names 'Biok' and 'Roshop' and also the 'Quight' and 'Kneen' on the Wiki fairy piece page ..
Thinktank Chess. Frank Maus' game where most pieces move differently when capturing from how they move without capturing.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Is it the last 3 columns, they don't line up with the piece name first given amazingly ...
Enlarged and Improved Chess. Early large-board variant from Holland.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]So with this here, we have the info 'From Holland, 1696. Guards move as rooks, capture as bishops. Ensigns move as bishops, capture as rooks.' This page here .. http://www.quadibloc.com/chess/ch0502.htm
it says here .. 'D. B. Pritchard's Encyclopedia of Chess Variants brought to my attention an extended form of Chess from 1696, called Enlarged and Improved Chess.' (And further down the page, we have) ... 'the two added pieces were the Ensign, a Bishop-mover/Rook-capturer, and the Guard, a Rook-mover/Bishop-capturer.'
So, these two pieces sound exactly like the ones in this game yeah, https://www.chessvariants.com/diffmove.dir/thinktank.html
The Bisroo - Bishop-mover/Rook-capturer
The Roobis - Rook-mover/Bishop-capturer
that is correct yes, hopefully i got it right lol
Canvasser. Compound of Rook and Camel.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Yes it's an interesting piece the 'rook camel'. As i just mentioned on the page for 'Lùotuoqí' (Camel Chess), here .. http://www.chessvariants.org/contests/luotuoqi.html
.. it doesn't appear that is actually a rook camel, but with David's comment 'Back in February 2000, S. Sirotkin sent a 7x7 chess variant, called 'Herd', where Pawns promote to Rook-Knight, Rook-Camel, or Rook-Bison.' which is here https://www.chessvariants.com/small.dir/herd.html that is right, we have a rook camel, one that is promoted from a pawn.
Charles has given a name for it though, good work.
L. Fun contest: Help us create a new chess variant by committee.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]I've noticed there is an error in thought on this 'rook camel' piece, probably confusion due to the name. It is said on the page though ...
'The Rook-Camel may move like a standard rook, sliding any number of clear spaces horizontally or vertically. Or the Rook-Camel may move like a non-leaping camel, sliding exactly two squares orthogonally followed by one diagonally without a leap.'
I don't know if I am missing something, but that description is not a rook camel lol, the 'camel' doesn't leap.
However, it's an interesting piece!!
Oh ok, thanks Ben, i'll do that soon then, hopefully, hehe. Thanks Greg, It's fun to be back!! How's the site going, are there people producing fun games still!!
Hi all, long time no see, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to all!!
I have a question about how to post 'Fairy Pieces part 2', not sure how to go about it, ages ago I posted part 1, all Shogi pieces, but I remember putting that 'as a game' however it was correctly put as a piece article, someone must of done that. All i can see about posting something seems be either a game or game courier stuff. Can someone direct me what to click on to get me started on posting in the right spot. Thanks!
Yes, it was ages ago lol, 2012 I posted 'Fairy Pieces Part 1', which showcases 154 shogi pieces from all the old and medieval shogi variants. You can see here ... https://www.chessvariants.com/ideas/fairy-pieces-part-1 zillions file here ... https://www.chessvariants.com/zillions/fairy
Well, I'm going to post Fairy Pieces Part 2, there is a lot of pieces with a lot of info, when I post it, if people want to supply info to me about diff pieces I will add it to the article, when you see it you will know what I mean. With many pieces, i state when it first appeared and what games it has been used in from then, so you can probably guess that is too big a job to do by an normal human being who doesn't live for centuries lol. Anyways, i'll post more laters when I know how and where to post this article.
Thanks all!!
Oh, btw, there will be a zrf for this, probably 2 or 3 in the package.
Fairy Pieces Part 1 . zillions file with many shogi pieces.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Hi hi all, is there something wrong with the download of this file, when you try to download zrf, it just seems to take you to mainpage, i uploaded the file, by 'upload files' link, and i got message it was uploaded successfully. Anyway, this was out ages ago on zillions site, i just noticed i never up it up on this site for download of the zrf.
Also, what do you do to make a gap between paragraphs when you make a page, lol, i've done so many before but i can't seem to do it with this page.
Sky. Brilliant original game by Christine Bagley-Jones. Pieces promote through a succession of odd leapers eventually to a rooks.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Oh Jeremy sorry, i must have missed your mail. It is fine that you want to make a game based on Sky, please feel free to do whatever you want and call it Sky Kamil, i am honored :)
Hi, i just noticed your talk about what was original setup. I added a screenshot of the original setup at the bottom of the Sky page :) Not sure if it was a problem, but the game was updated to stop a 2nd move check from white, and another change to slow down the promotion process. http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MZsky
hi yes i know that is where you download it, that download has been there for years, before windows 8 came into existence, it says up to xp, i highly doubt that it would work on windows 8, anyway, that's for your response.
hi all, been away along time, ahh, yeah so Zillions on windows 8, yes or no? if yes, where to download, thanks, no respones at all o.O
hi, can you play zillions on windows 8, and if so, where can you download it, thanks
Abagoren Chess . Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Yeah i know you can submit for me, hehe, if you can submit for Freederick you can submit for everyone i would be guessing (maybe that is the way it just is, not sure, you wouldn't think).
This has happened before, and it will happen again. The reason it happens is, when people go to submit something, the DEFAULT SETTING is 'Freederick'. The confusing part is, even though, when people come to this site and sign in as themselves, when they go to create a page etc, the default setting still comes into play. The last time it happened was on the 2012-09-22, when 'Dynasty Chess' was created, by Freederick (hehe), and after getting a 'good' and 'none' rating from 2 comments, Mr.Freederick said .. "This is very odd. I did NOT author Dynasty Chess---I'm afraid that either mistakes were made, or my account has been compromised." So your account was not compromised, it just was not submitted properely by the creator. I also notice, this is still credited to Mr.Freederick, who also said in his post "BTW, I find this variant rather unremarkable." Maybe someone should fix it up?
Recognized Chess Variants. Index page listing the variants we feel are most significant. (Recognized!)[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Chu Shogi pictures. Photos of a commercial Chu Shogi set.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]yes sorry i did notice after i posted the person who owns site did not know about the game, and hopefully someone here does. that being said, i might of found info on it, see here .. http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/shogivar/message/1613 also, it's free to become member of 'chessvariants' site here, and your comments are posted right away. edit- he doesn't say size of board, though description seems to indicate board is same as chu shogi, which is 12x12, so, still a mystery? the link from his post he gives doesn't work for me.
you could ask him at the bottom of the page, it has two comments, he replied to the first comment.
Chess Variant Pages Membership. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]you can start a conversation about a topic, or you can make a page, about whatever, you don't have to create a game, check out the alphabetical index and you will see how there are different things posted besides chess variants.
Gryphon Aanca Chess. Large Variant with Gryphons, Aancas, and a few other not-so-common pieces. (12x12, Cells: 144) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Missed this lively convo about these interesting pieces a few years ago. Yes it seems the first appearance of 'Hunter' (forward rook, backward bishop) was from 'Tenkiju Shogi', called 'Multi-General'. I notice though, no mention is made about the first appearance of these pieces in the west. In '100 SQUARES FOR CHESS+DAMANTE' by V.R.Parton, which is from this site too, link here (22 lines from top) .. http://www.chessvariants.org/parton/100Squares.txt 'DECIMAL FALCON-HUNTER (Schulz Chess) The variant of Decimal Chess described in this section is derived from a very original idea due to the imagination of an Austrian player Karl Schulz who invented about 1943 two new kinds of chessmen. The common characteristic of these two pieces, which are named Falcon and Hunter, is that they move forward in a different way to that in which they move backward. The Falcon moves forward diagonally like the Bishop, but moves backward orthogonally like the Rook; it cannot move left or right along its rank.' 'The Hunter moves forward vertically like the Rook, but moves backward diagonally like the Bishop; it has no movement along its rank. These two pieces are complementary and together form a logical couple, being one another opposite or reverse in type of movement.' The article goes on to say about the placement of the pieces, which is on a 10x10 board, with normal queen, rook, knight and bishop and pawns. So this is way before 'ABC Chess'. George Jelliss also mentions these pieces and game by Karl Schulz and the year 1943. So, with these kind of pieces, we have 'hunter' (multi general) and 'falcon', with 'Firehorse' in 'jupiter' and 'typhoon' games of Adrian King, and this game by you Gary is first appearance of 'Noclaf' is it, the 'forward bishop, backward knight' piece? Can we find 'forward knight, backward bishop' and 'forward knight, backward rook' pieces anywhere? EDIT- oh i see Ralph Betza's army 'Forward Fide's' has .. 'Bishight', moves forward as Bishop or backward as Knight, and 'Knishop', moves forward as Knight or backward as Bishop. Can't see 'forward knight, backward rook' still.
Oh yes sorry, i do remember now reading you can only drop one piece per turn, and yes i think it is best to play this way. The game looks really good.
Hey, the sound didn't work for me with your game also. i'll email you about other editions.
I think this looks really interesting. Congrats. I love the idea of drops having to be placed beside the king, and that means also you could do 3 drops on one turn, right? I also like the 'archer' and 'spearman' idea of winning game if reaching other end, combined with rule if they are captured they are out of the game. The short range pieces are great for the game too. When you release, make a game page here please.
Yes you should make it a zip file. When this game set itself up, it put all the files in a folder called 'Qtrungki11'. When i clicked on the zrf, it said it couldn't find 'blach blah blah 'images/Qtrungki'. So i made the 'images/Qtrungki' folders, put all files in there and the game played ok. So i guess you need to address that. I have 'Quang Trung Chess' (10th edition). I really like it, and the board and piece graphics are great. You can download at zillions. I also have the 2nd edition, you can download here at this site. Both these games, the earlier editions, are different in themselves and also to the lastest edition. It would be good to keep them too, are there any other editions that i could download? Not available from your site? It would be good to collect the older verisons, at least the ones that are like different games, or a different look. Ok, i'm a fan :) You should make a game page here for your game too, and i notice with the pages here on some of your past editions, links are broken.
Flying Armies . Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]oh, in the last update when i added the 'Ark', i also corrected the graphics for the knight/dabbaba and knight/alfil pieces (they had the old style knight/rook and knight/bishop graphics).
Oops sorry, i forgot to put the 'Ark' in a variant, updated again to do that.
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Hey Carlos, the diagram doesn't look distorted to me. Well, i'm not sure about your setup, tell me what you think. It's all the Trippers on the back rank. After the Tripper, say on d1, moves to g4, it cannot move forward because the black Tripper on g10 can capture it. And also, the black Tripper on g10 now cannot move. Same with the Tripper on g1, after it moves, it also cannot move forward, because of the black Tripper on d10, which now cannot move too. Surely this cannot be good? The way i have it set up, most pieces cannot come in contact with each other, allowing them to start their journey through promotion. And the ones that can move and attack (only the Fourleapers), the opposing side has this attack defended. I note also, where i had 3 Threeleapers and 2 Fourleapers in opening setup, you have 4 Threeleapes and 1 Fourleaper. Is this intended? It is really minor thing though, because the Commuters do promote to Fourleapers. Anyway, let me know what you think, you have made me look at this more now, and i see something about the opening setup that may need .. fine tunning, curse you, hehe. It is very difficult to get these pieces in perfect opening setup, because of their awkward moves, so painful, but it is worth it, these pieces are rarely seen and hardly a game plays with them having a major role. If you are happy with a setup, i can always make a 2nd 'Carlos Cetina Variant' if you wish.
Flying Armies . Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]I have updated this game, to add 8 extra pieces. Flying Armies plays on a 8x8 board with 'shogi-like' drops. There are many variants with now a total of 48 different pieces showcased. The new pieces added are as follows... Ark .................. rook + alfil (first mentioned 13th century) Alibaba-Slider ...... moves like alibaba but must slide, first square must be vacant. Alibaba-Wazir-Slider ... moves as wazir plus alibaba slider Alibaba-Fers-Slider ... moves as fers plus alibaba slider Lion .................. the 'must jump to move' lion (not shogi lion or murray lion, see Piececlopedia, 'Lion2) Lion is not placed in variant, it is just in the zrf. Dragon .................. knight + pawn Knight-Alfil-Wazir Knight-Dabbaba-Fers
Sky . Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Awhile ago Jeremy Good and Carlos Cetina talked about how there could be flaw in this game because of the piece called the 'Tripper' being able to give check on the 2nd move. Jeremy said 'it might restrict the nature of opening possibilities too much'. I agree with this, so i have updated the game to replace the offending 'Tripper' with a 'Threeleaper', which leaves the game pretty much the same but removing the problem of the 2nd move check. Thanks.
Jester Chess. Large variant, with four new pieces including Jester that imitates opponents last type of move. (10x11, Cells: 110) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]3 forward-adjacent squares means from c3 it would be b4, c4 and d4.
Relativistic Chess. Squares attacked by the opponent are considered not to exist. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Thinking about it again, the knight indeed could move 'again' as a knight, like a nightrider, but for the author not to mention this is bizzare. He is a troublemaker, hehe.
Knight move, i mentioned 3 ways it could move, if you are trying to 'make a path', but of course, there is the way Charles said, being an action, a leap, and that is the way i see a knight move, and it could be that the creator of the game see's the knight moving like this also, therefore, the knight can only make a normal knight move, if legal. I would be surprised if the knight could do a 'nightrider' type of move, though it is possible. especially seeing that it is not mentioned in the rules. If the square a knight could move to does not exist, why should that mean that it can continue on moving again like a knight, wouldn't that mean it has actually 'used' the non-existent square? You would think that if the knight had such a move, or a special way to move, he would of mentioned this type of move. Seeing he did not talk about the knight, one could assume it only can play a normal knight move.
Very interesting game, i have never noticed this before. It appears to me the pawn is checking the King, and also attacking the pawn on a2. It would be good to know what the author says about the Knight. Hans says 'The rules do not state exactly the way knights move. One could assume a knight moves one square orthogonally, and then one square diagonally, skipping again attacked squares.' This is one way to describe the Knight move, but some people describe it as moving 2 squares orthogonally then 1 to the side, or even moving 1 diagonally and 1 orthogonally outward. If you assume it moves like Hans says, then it does appear it is checking the King.
Chinese Chess variant for 7 players. Missing description (19x19, Cells: 361) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Hi all, I dont think there can be much advantage having first move, not with so many armies on such a big board. Yes 'Qin' have the dream start, most space around them, 'Chu' and 'Yan' have next best start. I dont think this gives an advantage though really, because of the nature of multi player games, anyone that is looking stronger than the others will naturally become a target for everyone else, hehe. Interesting pieces 'crossbowman' and 'archer' and 'cavalry'. I dont know if i have seen such pieces before. Also the start position is interesting for 'Qin' in relation to 'Yan' but mostly because of 'Chu' with 'crossbowman'. Oh, do you have link to wiki site, i cant seem to find it. http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/
Archabbott Chess. Introduces the Archabbott piece which moves like Bishop + Wazir + Dabbaba.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]wow, great info there champion, thanks!
Laugh, ok, here are some more.
'Operational Chess' by Andy Thomas, January 2006.
Piece called 'General', leaps 3 squares away, all directions.
Thus, it is a 0,3 and 3,3 leaper, and also can move like the 3,1 Camel and the 3,2 Zebra.
'Scirocco' by Adrian King, 1999, piece called 'Frog'.
Leaps as a (0,3) or (3,3) leaper, plus can move 1 square all directions.
G.P.Jelliss gives these names and movements.
'Frog' {1,1}+{0,3}, 'Toad' {0,2}+{0,3} and 'Newt' {2,2}+{0,3}
Also 'Threeleaper' {0,3}, and 'Tripper' {3,3}.
The 'Threeleaper' and 'Tripper' are in my game 'Sky', under those names.
You can see the 'frog' {1,1}+{0,3} in 'Presiding Chess' by Tucker Kao, 2003.
In 'Quangtrung Chess' by Vu Q, 2002, piece 'Voi' moves like above 'Newt'.
Chess with Different Armies has the 'Half-Duck', steps 1 space diagonally, or jumps 2 or 3 orthogonally.
'The Travelers' by Roberto Lavieri, 2006.
Piece called 'Trey', has non-capture and capture moves, as follows.
Non-capturing: slides 1-3 squares orthogonally or diagonally.
Capturing: can leap 3 squares, 0,3 and 3,3, only to capture.
In 'Jetan', (Martian Chess) by Edgar Rice Burroughs, piece called 'Flier'.
The Flier moves three squares diagonally or in a combination of these diagonal directions. It may jump over intervening pieces.
I do not know of a piece that is a pure 0,3 and 3,3 leaper.
Not saying there isn't one, with so many chess variants and pieces,
just saying i have not seen it, as far as i can recall.The Rook and Alfil piece is a very old piece, called the 'Ark'. First mentioned in the 13th century 'Bonus Socium' manuscript, 1275. Information from V. Nebotov’s Dictionary of Fairy Chess. G.P.Jelliss talks about this piece in Variant Chess 2, April-June, 1990, showing the mate in 2 problem from the manuscript the Ark was in. Rook Alfil Fers is in 'ABC Chess', by Jeff 'Cavebear' Stroud, 2001. You create pieces and 'army2' compounds start with 'rook/alfil/fers' so that piece can be chosen. Bishop Dabbaba is in 'Chess with Different Armies', called 'Bede'.
so, what do we have here, chinese rook that predates chaturanga? if you believe chaturanga date scholars give, hehe. time to rewrite history books? (lol).
Home page of The Chess Variant Pages. Homepage of The Chess Variant Pages.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]yes i've noticed too, i can't comment on many games, can't see where it gives that function. The only reason i could comment before on my 'fairy pieces part 1' was because Jörg commented on the game, and i went in through there. Same way i am commenting here now.
Fairy Pieces Part 1. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]thanks for info, i will add it soon. i'm glad to hear no 'gross' errors, at the end there everything was getting blurry and rolling into one, it's a wonder really there is no mistakes. Sorry, i know this is overdue for zillion file release. i will update page for when i will release, it will be soon, (this month for sure) but i will add yet one more piece, i found a little more strength to add more, hehe.
Enochian Chess. Four-player team variant of the Golden Dawn. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]The 'Queen' in this game moves like an 'Alibaba'. It does say there is a special rule about queen capturing another queen and to look in 'rules' section, but i can't seem to see anything. Edit: oh capture might be 'concourse of queens' rule. Anyway, would this be the first appearance of an 'Alibaba' in a game? Anyone know of an earlier game with the 'Alibaba', or, any old game it plays in?
Courier-Spiel. 19th century variant of Courier Chess. (12x8, Cells: 96) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]The 'Bishop' in this game moves as a 'Ferfil', and the 'Councillor' moves like a 'Centaur' (knight, wazir, fers). Would this be the first appearance for these pieces? Anyone know an earlier game they are in, or another old game anyway. I know 'Ferfil' is in the game 'Shako', 1990, by Jean-Louis Cazaux.
Fairy Pieces Part 1. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]haha, someone rating their own game is exactly like parents rating their own kids, and no one knows a child best like their parents, but everyone else just smiles.
Fairy Pieces Part 1. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]yes charles, i would be interested in adding those pieces. the Zebshal is your original piece, right? .. if you send me an email i can send the text i have on the pieces i've done, if you can't, when the page goes up here you can help correct errors and add input.
you know, another idea, besides what you doing, if you are worried about people coming to this site and not finding quality games, or finding it hard to find them, making a link on main page to 'recommended games', or something along those lines (some recommended top quality games) etc etc. You could start by just picking some obviously top games. Later you could change it to link to the top rated games that have been rated by your system.
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