Comments by CBagleyJones

Thank you for this wonderful information, 1984!

We do know that this piece is called 'Templar', it is been said in this thread also. Sadly, Charles Gilman has a thing about 'problematist's' names for pieces. Charles likes pieces that have played in a game.

Charles, you should add the info that Alfred has given here on this page, at least, it is good to have this information there.

Nice big board shogi like games, wonderful array of pieces.
Goldpashtun and Silverpashtun great pieces. Lots more, have not looked at fully but i will, just thought i would post first off anyway. Congrats.

It doesn't really matter i guess.
You don't even have to say this is a problematist piece.
It's just the information that is interesting to be recorded, at the end of the page you could just have written something like ..

Under the name 'Templar', this piece appeared in a problem composition of
Bernd Schwarzkopf, published in the German magazine 'Problemkiste', No.23, 12/1984
(see 
'http://www.softdecc.com/pdb/search.pdb?expression=PROBID='P1112855''
and 'http://www.softdecc.com/pdb/piecedef.pdb?id=M0000209').

I'm starting to think i like the name 'Whatever' for this piece anyway, lol.

Around a year ago i posted ..

aww this external link now doesn't work, i wanted to just look again at the rules of this game, is Danny Purvis still around, or, omg, is this game 'lost in time'? 

Well i found the page, and forgot to post. Anyone who has not read this description of this game should have a look, it is amazing. Here is the link .. http://www.wgosa.org/ttchsrules.htm

Could an editor please fix the link given on this page, thanks!

oh this link is to do with the game also
http://www.wgosa.org/ttchsglos.htm

sorry, this is the best link.

http://www.wgosa.org/ttchs.htm

Charles, thanks for info.

Yes, there is a 'Free Copper' piece, the reason i did not add it was that it moves exactly like the 'White Horse'. There are 3 pieces that have the same movement as other pieces in this collection, i didn't notice it till after they were done, i just left them anyway. But i guess it's all still information on pieces, so, i've added the 'Free Copper' now also.

The 'rook' and 'bishop' names, yes, of course these are not translations of the japanese names. All info on pieces comes from Wikipedia game pages, and, for some reason, everyone seems to call these pieces 'rook' and 'bishop', without any mention of 'flying chariot' and 'angle mover', except for the page on 'standard shogi 9x9'. I dont know why this is so, maybe because the names are so well established, or for easy finding of these pieces, not sure. I have now added in 'help' (this is the info you see when you mouse over a piece within 'zillions') this info for these pieces. Also, on wikipedia, you always find 'pawn' and 'king', which are not japanese translations.

I also added 'honorable horse' info to the 'Keima' piece.
What is this 'Kyoosha' name referring to? Sorry, i'm not sure what this is.

Heya Fergus, some questions.

This is not going to wipe out all the ratings over the years that have
already happened, is it? I certainly hope not.

And, you are talking about implementing a new rating system, shouldn't you
talk to the members about it to see what they think first?

I think the rating system in place is fine, it is casual, and that is what
a lot of people here are, i think. If you are going to make it serious,
that would be ok, IF about 20 people decided to go through every game and
rate them, AND every game was on game courier. Heaps of people don't rate games. Heaps of people dont rate games they think are good, too.

What is the point of the question ... 'How many times have you played this
game?' (why, who cares). I rated 'capablanca chess' and other games
'excellent', and i havn't even played them, ask me to explain more if
you can be bothered.

And the question, 'how many times have you played this game', this
affects a game's rating???? How is this fair, when all games are not on
game courier. Plenty of people do not know how to put a game on game
courier, plenty of people can't be bothered. Look at how many people play
games here on game courier, a small percentage of the amount that post. I
can't see how this is fair to games that are not on game courier.

i just doubt this rating system is very fair to all, that is my point.
Also, i dont understand why you say ratings at the moment are hidden. Let
me pick a random recent game, 'Battle of Six Armies', ok, now i go to the
bottom of page, and i find 'Number of ratings: 1, Average rating:
Excellent, Number of comments: 2. (What is hidden??)

Anyway, for the record, i'm happy with the rating system as it is, and if
a new system is started, make my games 'unrateable' please, thanks.

Hey, Fairy Pieces Part 2 is coming soon, it is all non-shogi pieces. Charles, i have added some of your pieces (Knave, Debtor, Zebshal, Goldpastun etc). I wouldn't mind your input on this, i can't see an email for you, email me if you want to talk about this please, i can send you what i have done so far (text).
You too Mr. George Duke, Jörg, Joe, or ANYONE  interested in seeing what i have done right now, which is over 130 pieces. This is much harder to do than the shogi pieces, of course, because of the problem of naming them and info on what other names they have appeared under (within reason) and where they first appeared (what game).
Names are considered either by what they are commonly known as, or what they were first called, which can be a problem. This will be released on a couple of zrf's. It will be first of all put up on this site, so people can see and correct my errors regarding the naming etc etc and also suggest pieces to be added.

haha George, your a funny guy :)
I'm am surely not an expert, and do not deserve to go in your little list there. Probably my best game is 'Sky', but, i'm more into fairy pieces than designing chess variants, but thanks anyway.

ah ok, i do now remember seeing something like 'make this game available
for rating'. I agree, this is probably useless, and hidden, mainly because
people who do rate, rate the 'game page' or 'article page'. This still
does give an indication about what people think, especially if a game does
get a few good ratings, then people who disagree tend to come out and rate
it.

Now, you say 'one option would be to migrate the data from this
to what I am proposing. Another option is to leave it as a separate page
rating system.'

I personally would like it to be seperate, see what others think. I can't
see a problem keeping it seperate. Especially because, i'm still having
major issues with this 'how many times have you played this game'
question. Yes, as you say, game courier is not the only way to play, there
is zillions and other engines and what have you, but, the fact remains,
even counting all these, many, many games are still not available counting
all these.

I understand how this question can tell how popular a game can be, but as
far as indicating how a great a game is, that is another question. I still
see it as being a bit unfair to many games.

Well, last thing i will say about all this is, whichever way you throw it,
i see games that are not on zillions and game courier or other programs at
a disadvantage with the 'how many times have you played' question.

And finally, i just hope if a new rating system goes ahead, i really hope
it is seperate, throwing out, what, a decade of ratings, or putting them in
with the new system would be a little disappointing. Surely it can be
seperate. You say the 'hidden' rating system right now is useless, why don't you replace that with your idea, and keep the 'page rating's' as is. Why does this have to get involved?

yes charles, i would be interested in adding those pieces. 
the Zebshal is your original piece, right? .. if you send me an email i can send the text i have on the pieces i've done, if you can't, when the page goes up here you can help correct errors and add input.

haha, someone rating their own game is exactly like parents rating their
own kids, and no one knows a child best like their parents, but everyone
else just smiles.

The 'Bishop' in this game moves as a 'Ferfil', and the 'Councillor' moves 
like a 'Centaur' (knight, wazir, fers).
Would this be the first appearance for these pieces?
Anyone know an earlier game they are in, or another old game anyway. 
I know 'Ferfil' is in the game 'Shako', 1990, by Jean-Louis Cazaux.

The 'Queen' in this game moves like an 'Alibaba'.
It does say there is a special rule about queen capturing another queen and 
to look in 'rules' section, but i can't seem to see anything.
Edit: oh capture might be 'concourse of queens' rule.

Anyway, would this be the first appearance of an 'Alibaba' in a game?
Anyone know of an earlier game with the 'Alibaba', or, any old game it 
plays in?

thanks for info, i will add it soon.
i'm glad to hear no 'gross' errors, at the end there 
everything was getting blurry and rolling into one, 
it's a wonder really there is no mistakes.

Sorry, i know this is overdue for zillion file release.
i will update page for when i will release, it will 
be soon, (this month for sure) but i will add yet one 
more piece, i found a little more strength to add more, hehe.

yes i've noticed too, i can't comment on many games, can't see where 
it gives that function. The only reason i could comment before on 
my 'fairy pieces part 1' was because Jörg commented on the game, and i 
went in through there. Same way i am commenting here now.

so, what do we have here, chinese rook that predates chaturanga?

if you believe chaturanga date scholars give, hehe.

time to rewrite history books? (lol).

The Rook and Alfil piece is a very old piece, called the 'Ark'.
First mentioned in the 13th century 'Bonus Socium' manuscript, 1275.

Information from V. Nebotov’s Dictionary of Fairy Chess.

G.P.Jelliss talks about this piece in Variant Chess 2, April-June, 1990, showing the mate in 2 problem from the manuscript the Ark was in.

Rook Alfil Fers is in 'ABC Chess', by Jeff 'Cavebear' Stroud, 2001.
You create pieces and 'army2' compounds start with 'rook/alfil/fers' so that piece can be chosen.

Bishop Dabbaba is in 'Chess with Different Armies', called 'Bede'.

Hi all, I dont think there can be much advantage having first move, not
with so many armies on such a big board.

Yes 'Qin' have the dream start, most space around them, 'Chu' and
'Yan' have next best start.  I dont think this gives an advantage though
really, because of the nature of multi player games, anyone that is looking
stronger than the others will naturally become a target for everyone else,
hehe.

Interesting pieces 'crossbowman' and 'archer' and 'cavalry'.  I dont
know if i have seen such pieces before. 
 
Also the start position is interesting for 'Qin' in relation to 'Yan'
but mostly because of 'Chu' with 'crossbowman'.

Oh, do you have link to wiki site, i cant seem to find it.
http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/

Very interesting game, i have never noticed this before.
It appears to me the pawn is checking the King, and also attacking the pawn on a2.
It would be good to know what the author says about the Knight. Hans says 'The rules do not state exactly the way knights move. One could assume a knight moves one square orthogonally, and then one square diagonally, skipping again attacked squares.'
This is one way to describe the Knight move, but some people describe it as moving 2 squares orthogonally then 1 to the side, or even moving 1 diagonally and 1 orthogonally outward. If you assume it moves like Hans says, then it does appear it is checking the King.

3 forward-adjacent squares means from c3 it would be b4, c4 and d4.

Awhile ago Jeremy Good and Carlos Cetina talked about how there could be flaw in this game because of the piece called the 'Tripper' being able to give check on the 2nd move.

Jeremy said 'it might restrict the nature of opening possibilities too much'.
I agree with this, so i have updated the game to replace the offending 'Tripper' with a 'Threeleaper', which leaves the game pretty much the same but removing the problem of the 2nd move check.

Thanks.

I have updated this game, to add 8 extra pieces.
Flying Armies plays on a 8x8 board with 'shogi-like' drops.

There are many variants with now a total of 48 different pieces showcased.

The new pieces added are as follows...

Ark .................. rook + alfil  (first mentioned 13th century)

Alibaba-Slider ...... moves like alibaba but must slide, first square must be vacant.

Alibaba-Wazir-Slider ... moves as wazir plus alibaba slider

Alibaba-Fers-Slider  ... moves as fers plus alibaba slider

Lion .................. the 'must jump to move' lion
(not shogi lion or murray lion, see Piececlopedia, 'Lion2)

Lion is not placed in variant, it is just in the zrf.

Dragon .................. knight + pawn

Knight-Alfil-Wazir 

Knight-Dabbaba-Fers

Hey Carlos, the diagram doesn't look distorted to me.  Well, i'm not sure about your setup, tell me what you think.  It's all the Trippers on the back rank.

After the Tripper, say on d1, moves to g4, it cannot move forward because the black Tripper on g10 can capture it. And also, the black Tripper on g10 now cannot move.  Same with the Tripper on g1, after it moves, it also cannot move forward, because of the black Tripper on d10, which now cannot move too.

Surely this cannot be good?  The way i have it set up, most pieces cannot come in contact with each other, allowing them to start their journey through promotion.  And the ones that can move and attack (only the Fourleapers), the opposing side has this attack defended.

I note also, where i had 3 Threeleapers and 2 Fourleapers in opening setup, you have 4 Threeleapes and 1 Fourleaper. Is this intended? It is really minor thing though, because the Commuters do promote to Fourleapers.

Anyway, let me know what you think, you have made me look at this more now, and i see something about the opening setup that may need .. fine tunning, curse you, hehe.  It is very difficult to get these pieces in perfect opening setup, because of their awkward moves, so painful, but it is worth it, these pieces are rarely seen and hardly a game plays with them having a major role. If you are happy with a setup, i can always make a 2nd 'Carlos Cetina Variant' if you wish.

Oops sorry, i forgot to put the 'Ark' in a variant, updated again to do that.

Yes you should make it a zip file.

When this game set itself up, it put all the files in a folder called 
'Qtrungki11'.  When i clicked on the zrf, it said it couldn't find
'blach blah blah 'images/Qtrungki'.

So i made the  'images/Qtrungki' folders, put all files in there and the
game played ok.  So i guess you need to address that.

I have 'Quang Trung Chess' (10th edition). I really like it, and the
board and piece graphics are great.  You can download at zillions.  I also
have the 2nd edition, you can download here at this site. 

Both these games, the earlier editions, are different in themselves and
also to the lastest edition.  It would be good to keep them too, are there
any other editions that i could download?  Not available from your site?
It would be good to collect the older verisons, at least the ones that are like different games, or a different look. Ok, i'm a fan :)


You should make a game page here for your game too, and i notice with the
pages here on some of your past editions, links are broken.

I think this looks really interesting. Congrats.

I love the idea of drops having to be placed beside the king, and that
means also you could do 3 drops on one turn, right?

I also like the 'archer' and 'spearman' idea of winning game if
reaching other end, combined with rule if they are captured they are out of
the game. The short range pieces are great for the game too.
When you release, make a game page here please.

Hey, the sound didn't work for me with your game also.

i'll email you about other editions.

Oh yes sorry, i do remember now reading you can only drop one piece per
turn, and yes i think it is best to play this way. 

The game looks really good.

Missed this lively convo about these interesting pieces a few years ago.
Yes it seems the first appearance of 'Hunter' (forward rook, backward bishop) was from 'Tenkiju Shogi', called 'Multi-General'.

I notice though, no mention is made about the first appearance of these pieces in the west.  In '100 SQUARES FOR CHESS+DAMANTE' by V.R.Parton, which is from this site too, link here (22 lines from top) ..

http://www.chessvariants.org/parton/100Squares.txt

'DECIMAL FALCON-HUNTER 
(Schulz Chess) The variant of Decimal Chess described in this section 
is derived from a very original idea due to the imagination of an 
Austrian player Karl Schulz who invented about 1943 two new kinds of 
chessmen. The common characteristic of these two pieces, which are 
named Falcon and Hunter, is that they move forward in a different way 
to that in which they move backward. The Falcon moves forward 
diagonally like the Bishop, but moves backward orthogonally like the 
Rook; it cannot move left or right along its rank.'

'The Hunter moves forward vertically like the Rook, but moves backward 
diagonally like the Bishop; it has no movement along its rank. These 
two pieces are complementary and together form a logical couple, being 
one another opposite or reverse in type of movement.'

The article goes on to say about the placement of the pieces, which is on a 10x10 board, with normal queen, rook, knight and bishop and pawns.  So this is way before 'ABC Chess'.  George Jelliss also mentions these pieces and game by Karl Schulz and the year 1943.

So, with these kind of pieces, we have 'hunter' (multi general) and 'falcon', with 'Firehorse' in 'jupiter' and 'typhoon' games of Adrian King, and this game by you Gary is first appearance of 'Noclaf' is it, the 'forward bishop, backward knight' piece?

Can we find 'forward knight, backward bishop' and 'forward knight, backward rook' pieces anywhere?

EDIT- oh i see Ralph Betza's army 'Forward Fide's' has ..

'Bishight', moves forward as Bishop or backward as Knight, and 
'Knishop', moves forward as Knight or backward as Bishop.

Can't see 'forward knight, backward rook' still.

you can start a conversation about a topic, or you can make a page, about whatever, you don't have to create a game, check out the alphabetical index and you will see how there are different things posted besides chess variants.

you could ask him at the bottom of the page, it has two comments, he replied to the first comment.

yep

This has happened before, and it will happen again. The reason it happens is, when people go to submit something, the DEFAULT SETTING is 'Freederick'.
The confusing part is, even though, when people come to this site and sign in as themselves, when they go to create a page etc, the default setting still comes into play.

The last time it happened was on the 2012-09-22, when 'Dynasty Chess' was created, by Freederick (hehe), and after getting a 'good' and 'none' rating from 2 comments, Mr.Freederick said ..
"This is very odd. I did NOT author Dynasty Chess---I'm afraid that either mistakes were made, or my account has been compromised."
So your account was not compromised, it just was not submitted properely by the creator.  I also notice, this is still credited to Mr.Freederick, who also said in his post "BTW, I find this variant rather unremarkable."
Maybe someone should fix it up?

hi, can you play zillions on windows 8, and if so, where can you download
it, thanks

Hi, i just noticed your talk about what was original setup. I added a screenshot of the original setup at the bottom of the Sky page :)
Not sure if it was a problem, but the game was updated to stop a 2nd move check from white, and another change to slow down the promotion process.

http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MZsky

Hi hi all, is there something wrong with the download of this file, when you try to download zrf, it just seems to take you to mainpage, i uploaded the file, by 'upload files' link, and i got message it was uploaded successfully.  Anyway, this was out ages ago on zillions site, i just noticed i never up it up on this site for download of the zrf.

Also, what do you do to make a gap between paragraphs when you make a page, lol, i've done so many before but i can't seem to do it with this page.

Hi all, long time no see, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to all!!

I have a question about how to post 'Fairy Pieces part 2', not sure how to go about it, ages ago I posted part 1, all Shogi pieces, but I remember putting that 'as a game' however it was correctly put as a piece article, someone must of done that. All i can see about posting something seems be either a game or game courier stuff. Can someone direct me what to click on to get me started on posting in the right spot. Thanks!

Yes, it was ages ago lol, 2012 I posted 'Fairy Pieces Part 1', which showcases 154 shogi pieces from all the old and medieval shogi variants. You can see here ... https://www.chessvariants.com/ideas/fairy-pieces-part-1 zillions file here ... https://www.chessvariants.com/zillions/fairy

Well, I'm going to post Fairy Pieces Part 2, there is a lot of pieces with a lot of info, when I post it, if people want to supply info to me about diff pieces I will add it to the article, when you see it you will know what I mean. With many pieces, i state when it first appeared and what games it has been used in from then, so you can probably guess that is too big a job to do by an normal human being who doesn't live for centuries lol. Anyways, i'll post more laters when I know how and where to post this article. Thanks all!!
Oh, btw, there will be a zrf for this, probably 2 or 3 in the package.

I've noticed there is an error in thought on this 'rook camel' piece, probably confusion due to the name. It is said on the page though ...

'The Rook-Camel may move like a standard rook, sliding any number of clear spaces horizontally or vertically. Or the Rook-Camel may move like a non-leaping camel, sliding exactly two squares orthogonally followed by one diagonally without a leap.'

I don't know if I am missing something, but that description is not a rook camel lol, the 'camel' doesn't leap.

However, it's an interesting piece!!

Yes it's an interesting piece the 'rook camel'. As i just mentioned on the page for 'Lùotuoqí' (Camel Chess), here .. http://www.chessvariants.org/contests/luotuoqi.html

.. it doesn't appear that is actually a rook camel, but with David's comment 'Back in February 2000, S. Sirotkin sent a 7x7 chess variant, called 'Herd', where Pawns promote to Rook-Knight, Rook-Camel, or Rook-Bison.' which is here https://www.chessvariants.com/small.dir/herd.html that is right, we have a rook camel, one that is promoted from a pawn.

Charles has given a name for it though, good work.

So with this here, we have the info 'From Holland, 1696. Guards move as rooks, capture as bishops. Ensigns move as bishops, capture as rooks.' This page here .. http://www.quadibloc.com/chess/ch0502.htm

it says here .. 'D. B. Pritchard's Encyclopedia of Chess Variants brought to my attention an extended form of Chess from 1696, called Enlarged and Improved Chess.' (And further down the page, we have) ... 'the two added pieces were the Ensign, a Bishop-mover/Rook-capturer, and the Guard, a Rook-mover/Bishop-capturer.'

So, these two pieces sound exactly like the ones in this game yeah, https://www.chessvariants.com/diffmove.dir/thinktank.html

The Bisroo - Bishop-mover/Rook-capturer

The Roobis - Rook-mover/Bishop-capturer

that is correct yes, hopefully i got it right lol

Is it the last 3 columns, they don't line up with the piece name first given amazingly ...

Yes, i see the names 'Biok' and 'Roshop' and also the 'Quight' and 'Kneen' on the Wiki fairy piece page ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_chess_piece#:~:text=A%20fairy%20chess%20piece%2C%20variant,in%20the%20way%20they%20move.

This page is once again directing someone to the mainpage when you try to download this zrf. Can someone see what is wrong, it has done this before and it was fixed.

Also, I don't really know why, but this file is 'Fairy Pieces Part 1' but it shows in the listing page as simply 'Fairy', can that be changed also to 'Fairy Pieces Part 1'.

Alright, sorry for this, lol. Problem file it appears!!

I can't make a 2nd move in my game of Sky with Carlos

https://www.chessvariants.com/play/pbm/play.php?game=Sky&log=sissa-zcherryz-2021-44-954

i'm signed in, not sure what is wrong.

Are you doing this game for your program Chess V Greg. First off, I notice on your 'person info' page, the link to Chess V ....

http://sourceforge.net/projects/chessv

this doesn't seem to work.

I have actually done a zrf file for this, I did it years ago, but I notice it wasn't released, the file is titled 'great shatranj -test' lol, so I must of forgot. I see that I have made pawns able to promote to General, Minister or High Priestess :)

Joe, you need to change your pawn promotion rules, stop making life difficult for everyone :) .. and I sent you an email too, look in your junk email section hehe.

Heya all, I see Charles Gilman hasn't logged in since 2016, is he still around, still with us. Thanks.

Hi, when i click on 'what's new' and then 'last game courier move' i get

The Chess Variant Pages: 404 Error - Page not found Welcome to the Chess Variant Pages, a site about games related to, based on, or similar enough to Chess.

We're sorry, but the page https:/​/​www.chessvariants.com/​pbm/​logs.php could not be found.

This page is not listed in our database. The URL may be misspelled, the page may have been removed or renamed, or the page may have never existed.

Here are other pages with the filename of /logs.php:

play/pbm/logs.php

ok, when i click on that i am starting to see games, there is 4 there right now

Oh, I see with the site being down recently some stuff was lost, like my game courier game with Carlos I had to redo a move I already had done. I posted here before it went down about releasing a zrf for this game, and i uploaded the game and some screenshots for the download page, should I do that again.

I'm going to play a game or two of this game on game courier if possible, I notice your comments about this game Kevin, if you want a game you can send me invite, i'll play the black and green side!!

Link is here, i'm giving the link because it is spelt 'chatarunga', not the usual way.

https://www.chessvariants.com/play/pbm/play.php?game=4-Handed+Chatarunga&settings=4-handed%20chat%201.00

Of course, if we play this game, we are playing with double mate rules that is on this page :)

Oh, if anyone else wants a game, send me an invite, i'll play the black green pieces.

lol, ok submitted again.

Sorry if I have done something wrong with the download of the zip file, but it doesn't appear to be working, getting error.

I can't get that download link to work.

I mean the link to download ChessV 2.3 verison

Also, when i go to your ChessV.org site, on mainpage, I just see the 2.2 version.

This download link doesn't work for some reason.

This download link doesn't work again sorry.

Joe, i'm blaming you!!

Yes, I clicked on that link and it downloaded ChessV2.3RC1.zip.

Sorry, been away for a bit.

Great work on 'Silly Sliders', new pieces are interesting. Onyx, Duck and Squire are all original are they not.

They are nice. I would say I'd rather have a Squire than a normal Queen, with the Knight jump. The name 'Duck' is used by George Jelliss with his 'All the King's Men' listings though, but this is ok. Duck .... Fers + Dabbabarider.

Have you played it with someone or a computer, I'd say it must play pretty well. Great work!!

When you click on the 'Hero' at a1, it can go to c4, and also the War Elephant on d2 can go to f1.
This isn't right is it.

Hi, I've updated this game because of error in 'help', with the Pawn info it said promotion on 8th to 10th ranks instead of 9th to 10th. The error is just in info, not actual ingame play.

Hi, i've also updated this game because of error in 'help', with the Pawn info it said promotion on 8th to 10th ranks instead of 9th to 10th. The error is just in info, not actual ingame play.

Same mistake as other game I posted on just before, lol, sorry.

Sorry, but the download link for this game doesn't work. Can some great admin please repair, thanks!!

Hi all, thought I would say, from very soon till Christmas and the New Year I should be releasing a few games.

There is a Joy Joyce game, there is a few Charles Gilman games, and I have a game I have done myself, which probably will be the first to come out, and another game by myself that may have some new pieces, amazingly, I say amazingly because they are pretty simple pieces but I cannnot see anywhere that they have been used in any games, but I guess we shall see. I'm sure people will know if they exist elsewhere or not.

Thanks ya'll.

Thank you for answering.

This game was created in 2006, it worked from creation. Somewhere down the track, for whatever reason, it must of broken. I'll upload file again, thanks.

Well, this is kinda weird lol. I notice I am listed as creating the zrf for this game. I'm pretty sure I did not lol. At the 'zillions of games' site is says this ...

Game: Abagoren Chess

Invented 1844 Implemented by Malcolm Webb, 2013-01-19.

No idea why this game is listed in my info!!