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 By Claudio Martins  Jaguaribe. Mega Doom Chess Project. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
George Duke wrote on 2010-12-01 UTC
Jaguaribe concludes, ''Who wants to try this Gargantuan variant?'' Author of the Gargantua series, Francois Rabelais(1494-1553) had the new regina rabiosa Chess much in mind throughout his works, and Book V has couple of chapters the most relevant of all: foremost chapter 25 here ''How the Thirty-Two Persons at the Ball Fought,'' 
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/r/rabelais/francois/r11g/book5.25.html,
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Fifth_Book?Chapter_XXV. It is a living Chess game. [The better Wikisource translation by Urquhart & Motteux] Opening d2-d4, ''the Nymph who stood before the Queen moved two squares forwards.'' It is modern chess because before then there was not allowed opening-double.  ''They only strike sideways'' means of course that Pawn capture mode had already stayed the same for a thousand years. Old-style Castling is described, called free castling, 
http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz31.txt,
which has additional definition right now. King to Rook's spot like that described by Rabelais 'Book V Chapter XXV' is not permitted within Shatranj, so again Modern Chess.   And so on thirty-fold more clauses the same Gargantuan chapter, the likes of ''a mighty loss to that party'' indeed having one's Rook/Tower captured.
http://www.ebookmall.com/3492013349569634540/Ga-Pl.-AE55.pdf

Claudio Martins Jaguaribe wrote on 2010-11-29 UTC
Guys:

Besides some suggestions from Daniil and a comment form Mr. Gilman I had no response about this topic/project. So, it’s like The Little Red Hen story; if you are thinking: “I can do it better “, remember that you didn’t and I did. If you have any suggestions, I’m open to then, but, first, read the rules.

Until now I’ve been gathering few ideas, but I didn’t yet made the calculations of the number of the pieces, just the base moves and the templates (take a look at http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSbasepiecesandt to understand the concept).

At this point I need help with the pieces names (yes, I know kings, etc, but some others…).

O	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
D	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
C	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
O fD	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
D fO	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
fO	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
fD	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
fC	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
mO cD	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
mD cO	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
mfO cfD	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk
mfD cfO	1	n	S2	S3	S4	L2	L3	L4	2+	3+	4+	cL1	mL1	mcL1	Sl	Sk

To help you, help me, let me tell you what means the letters: O- orthogonal, D- diagonal, C- compound (O+D), f- forward, m- move, c- capture, n= any number, S(n)- slides the number, L(n)- leaps the number, (n)+- must at least slide the number, L1- cannon capture movement, Sl- slip movement, Sk- skip movement.

For the knight family, I have, now, the following:

O1 D1, D1 O1	L	Lf	S	SOD	SDO	R	GM	SR	SODR	SDOR	SGM	SODGM	SDOGM
O2 D1, D1 O2	L	Lf	S	SOD	SDO	R	GM	SR	SODR	SDOR	SGM	SODGM	SDOGM
O3 D1, D1 O3	L	Lf	S	SOD	SDO	R	GM	SR	SODR	SDOR	SGM	SODGM	SDOGM
O1 D2, D2 O1	L	Lf	S	SOD	SDO	R	GM	SR	SODR	SDOR	SGM	SODGM	SDOGM
O1 D3, D3 O1	L	Lf	S	SOD	SDO	R	GM	SR	SODR	SDOR	SGM	SODGM	SDOGM
O2 D2, D2 O2	L	Lf	S	SOD	SDO	R	GM	SR	SODR	SDOR	SGM	SODGM	SDOGM

L- leaps, Lf- leaps forward (Shogilike), Slides (Moo), R- rider, GM- Grand Master.

A note about the Grand Master, see the description on the Bizarro Chess.
(http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSbizarrochess)

The 4:2 Leaper, although Mr. Gilman named it Charolais, I name it the Templar, because of the Knights Templar seal (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Templarsign.jpg)

The irony is that the Portuguese piece name is horse (cavalo), but as I use a lot of English I use the knight/religious orders ranks.

Any suggestions?

Hugs!

Claudio Martins Jaguaribe wrote on 2010-10-01 UTC
Daniil, I've got over 60 or more per side and still counting...

Charles Gilman wrote on 2010-09-02 UTC
'Captures as gold, moves as silver; Captures as silver, moves as gold;' My Silversteward and Goldsteward follow these patterns, and their riders add the suffix -ess.

'Are reverse gold and silver (and their divergent versions) worth?' The reversed pieces I term Goldcoward and Silvercoward. I don't think I've covered divergent ones yet.

'Capture as dragon king moves as dragon horse; Moves as dragon king, captures as dragon horse; Forward-only versions of dragon and divergent dragon pieces.' Now these I haven't covered yet. I have similar pieces with the augmentation to the Bishop being by a Dabbaba move - Pawned Chatelaine, Yeomanned Inquisitor - but not by a Wazir one. When I devised simpler names for the dragon pieces - Chatelaine and Primate - I did so with extrapolation in mind, to forward-only as well as to 3d, so I termed the FO versions Caryatid and Abbot. As the Goldsteward and Silversteard Pawn one move and Yeoman the other, I suppose I should also think of Chatelaine/Primate and Caryatid/Abbot divergent pieces. Likewise in 3d Vicereine/Besieger, Virago/Ram, Moderator/Heretic, Elder/Xorn, Baroness/Regent, Heiress/Commissioner, Diarch/Usurper, Presumptive/Assassin, Dowager/Pope, and Devotee/Nuncio ones.


Claudio Martins Jaguaribe wrote on 2010-08-31 UTC
Dear Daniil:

I've read your message.

I loved it! Ididn't fully evaluated it becaus I'm having sime troubles in my life, so omy interest in CVs have diminished. This weekend I'll take a look at the coment.

Hugs!

Daniil Frolov wrote on 2010-08-25 UTC
In previous comment i said that forward-only orthogonal is not sideways. Maybe, sideways move of forward and silver pieces should be achieved by crossing river?

Daniil Frolov wrote on 2010-08-25 UTC
I don't know, is it ok, but here how i see this:
Directions:
Orthogonal;
Diagonal;
Diagonal+orthogonal;
Divergent - captures diagonal, moves orthogonal;
Captures orthogonal, moves diagonal;
Forward-only orthogonal (it don't mean sideways);
Forward-only diagonal;
Forward-only diagonal+orthogonal;
Captures forward diagonal, moves forward orthogonal;
Captures forard orthogonal, moves forward diagonal;
Gold - orthogonal+forward diagonal;
Silver - diagonal+forward orthogonal;
Captures as gold, moves as silver;
Captures as silver, moves as gold;
Are reverse gold and silver (and thier divergent versions) worth?
Dragon king - orthogonal is long-range, diagonal is short-range (see below for range);
Dragon horse - diagonal is long-range, orthogonal is short-range;
Capture as dragon king moves as dragon horse;
Moves as dragon king, captures as dragon horse;
Forward-only versions of dragon anddivergent dragon pieces.
Hopping (cannon-like moves. It's only possible to hop over pieces on spaces, where hopping piece would be able to move if it would be non-hopping move):
Non-hopping;
Chinese - moves as non-hopping, captures as hopping;
Korean - both captures and moves are hopping;
Moves as hopping, captures as non-hopping.
Range:
Long-range;
Short range (hopping short-range pieces leaps to closest space, where respective long-range would be able to move, that is, hopping version of man is grasshopper, hopping version of ferz is bishopper, etc.).
Kinds of movement:
1 step - ferz, wazir, ferzrider (bishop), wazirrider (rook), etc;
2 steps - alfil, dababah, alfilrider, etc;
1 step move, followed by another 1 step move at 45 degrres;
1 step move, followed by 2 step move at 45 degrees (zebra, Korean elephant...);
2 step move, followed by 1 step move at 45 degrees (camel);
2 step move, followed by another 2 step move at 45 degrees.
Originally i thought about bent-riders (like gryphon) as long-range versions of bent movers, but now i think nightrider-like pieces are better.
Leap ability:
For 2-step movers it's simple: leaping and non-leaping (how elephant of shatranj differs from elephant of xiangqi);
For bent-movers, there are 3 groups:
Each bent move is unblockable at all (that's how FIDE knight and zebramoves);
Korean elephant-like: alfil and dababa moves are non-leaping;
Alfil and dababa moves are unblockable, but move can be blocked when piece turns 45 degrees (this version of zebra and Korean elephant makes 1 wazir move if square is empty, when turns 45 degrees and makes leaping alfil move. Non-leaping knight of this group don't differ from non-leaping knight of previous grop, but camel, zebra and (4,2) mover are different).

There are already too many pieces. Other suggestions?

Joe Joyce wrote on 2010-08-24 UTC
Hi, Claudio. The ShortRange Project is an article specifically about pieces, their basic components, how to put them together and take them apart, pieces of all kinds. While there are a good number of games associated with the project, the original paper is entirely and only about pieces, so it got the 'pieces' symbol. This article certainly seemed to be about a game or a type of game, so I gave it the checkerboard symbol. I'll look through the list of options and see if I can come up with something better... :-D Joe heh heh heh

Claudio Martins Jaguaribe wrote on 2010-08-24 UTC
Daniil:

The idea here is bring the best and the maximum of pieces to work.

Place your pieces here.

Hugs!


PS: Anybody else:

PS2: Editors, whenever possible, put the white horse, as the Short Range Project (it's an article).

Daniil Frolov wrote on 2010-08-24 UTC
I'm now thinking about something like this :). Here grasshopper-like moving pieces counts as short-range cannons.

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