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Poll number Approval Poll for Game Courier Tournament #3. Vote for which games you want in the third Game Courier tournament.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Fergus Duniho wrote on 2006-06-15 UTC
I've fixed the label for Shatranj of Troy.

The game I would most like to see make it into this tournament is Storm
the Ivory Tower. This is my synthesis of Smess and Chinese Chess. It
borrows the board, pieces, and setup of Chinese Chess, adding arrows to
each space of the board, and modifying the powers of the pieces to be
affected by the arrows. It's an improvement on Smess, because it includes
more types of pieces. And it is at least an interesting twist on Chinese
Chess with much of the same appeal.

Joe Joyce wrote on 2006-06-15 UTC
Thank you, Fergus, for fixing the label on Shatranj of Troy. I hope more
will vote for it now. I admit to prejudice; I think this is a Gary Gifford
gem. It takes the concept of openings to a whole new level. That
overstuffed Trojan Horse piece feels like having a full candy dispenser in
your pocket when you were a kid. [Now, for Jared. ;-) ] The tactical and
strategic possibilities are immense. It's a definite chess-player's
Another game I would like to see in the tournament is Jeremy Good's Royal
Pawn Chess. That single change does amazing things to the game, and to my
chess instincts at least. The Royal Pawn can literally eat itself to
death: a series of sacrifices can force the RP across the board into the
opposing army. Opening strategy is turned on its head; what you need is
more of a Closing strategy, to wall off and protect the RP. Armies are
very self-blocked, and players have to work through the flanks rather than
coming up the middle.
As for STIT, I didn't originally vote for it, but you convinced me to
vote to include it [even though if given a choice I will avoid it, as I am
not very good at Chinese Chess]. It's hard to argue with a good,
established designer who says: 'This is good'. And I've enjoyed your
games before, so... As for the 2 designs of mine that are currently [I
think] in, they're the 2 best choices in my opinion. I lean toward the
Dabbabah versions over the Rook versions as the games were always intended
to be short range, but there are obviously people who prefer the rooks.
[And saying this for real is a fantasy come true. Thanks to all the
I assume the specific setup will be similar to last time, in that we will
have a choice of games to play within the finalists; the goal being that
all players have at least half their games in common. I thought that was
excellent last time. Whatever, it's beginning to look interesting.

Jeremy Good wrote on 2006-06-15 UTC
Storm the Ivory Tower has a pretty amuzing first paragraph description. A fun alternate second poll would be to select from those games that got zero votes. I would like to see a list of the zero vote games after this poll is over.

Gary Gifford wrote on 2006-06-16 UTC
In regard to games with zero votes, there are still some out there that
cannot get any votes because they aren't listed.  I am aware of two of my
own, which have presets.  These are:

Hexagonal Hole Chess - A bit complicated and tricky.

Shatranj Darwinian - Pieces start out as Wazir, Ferz, and Nymph Horse
(half Wazir/Half Ferz) and evolve at different points.  For example Ferz
to Elephant then later to Bishop.  Wazir to War Machine (Dabbadah sp?)then
later to Rook or Cannon; Nymph Horse to Horse.

I only mention these games because of the comment about 'zero votes' ...
and I imagine there are other games besides these two that simply cannot be
voted on.

Fergus Duniho wrote on 2006-06-16 UTC
Shatranj of Troy and Dimension X look interesting. So I have added them to my votes. I have also added Grand Shogi. I would like to see the rules for ArchAbbott Chess posted before I consider it further.

Fergus Duniho wrote on 2006-06-16 UTC
If you want your presets to show up in the poll, make sure they are published as web pages and indexed as pbm pages. The presets listed in the poll are what's indexed in the database as pbm pages.

Gary Gifford wrote on 2006-06-16 UTC
How do we make sure game presets are published as web pages? How do we index them as as pbm pages?

Jeremy Good wrote on 2006-06-16 UTC
You can use this link.

Jeremy Good wrote on 2006-06-21 UTC

At the moment I am writing this, there are a slew of games caught at the five vote mark, just below what would appear to be a qualifying threshold (of course that threshold could change if many more games get six votes). Among those with five votes, one of the games I would most like to see added is Gifford's Time Travel Chess. It is a very fascinating game that I have heretofore played hideously, losing fairly quickly. This is a game that deserves to be played a lot more. I have a feeling that it has some exciting hidden dynamics that have yet to be exploited by anyone. I hope it will garner some more votes.

Another I'd like to see played is Voidrider Chess, a game I've always wanted to play. (I once sent out an invitation to play it but nobody accepted.) It seems like another very ingenious Fergus Duniho game.

Greg Strong wrote on 2006-06-21 UTC
I second the desire to see Voidrider included. It looks like a very interesting game.

Jeremy Good wrote on 2006-06-22 UTC
Chess with Promoters is a game with five votes (at the time of this writing) that I enjoyed playing.

Adrian Alvarez de la Campa wrote on 2006-06-22 UTC
Two simple but interesting games that do not have presets are Blackjack Chess and Rotation Chess.

Jeremy Good wrote on 2006-06-22 UTC
Adrian, do you have the ones you created for them? If so, please submit them and I'll polish them up a tad. I'd appreciate it. Since you already created them, I can't really re-create them with the same name (since the name shall already have been taken; unless you didn't 'save' them but only used the 'test' function.)

Fergus Duniho wrote on 2006-06-23 UTC
I would like to draw attention to Shatranji, which I just made a preset for. This is like Chessgi but played with Shatranj pieces. Some of you may remember the live Shatranji tournament we once conducted with Zillions of Games.

Greg Strong wrote on 2006-06-23 UTC
Yes, this looks like an interesting game. I don't like Chessgi because the pieces are too powerful and it leads to chaos far beyond my ability to tackle. This, however, looks far more reasonable. I have voted for its inclusion.

Fergus Duniho wrote on 2006-06-23 UTC
Thanks for voting for it. I created the game for the same considerations you mentioned. The Chess army is too powerful for a game with Shogi-style drops. It especially wreaks havok when a player can drop a Queen. I thought a game with Chessgi rules would work better with weaker pieces. I hope this game will appeal to fans of Chessgi and to people who have been dissatisfied with Chessgi.

JGG wrote on 2006-06-23 UTC

Adrian, thank you.

I added the preset for Blackjack Chess with an illustration of a won game.

Also added: The preset for Rotation Chess. People curious about how this works may look to the Logs for Rotation Chess to see how Adrian skilfully outmastered me during our brief game. I have suggested that Rotation Chess might be an example, a rather radical example of a game in which Black may have a way of offsetting White's presumed first move advantage.

Roberto Lavieri wrote on 2006-06-23 UTC
We need a Preset for Connected Chess, and I encourage W.D.Troyka to add a Page for this excellent game. And for the votes, I´m a bit surprised by the fact that Omega Chess is ahead of Grand Chess, but it can happen. Some new games have merits for a higher votation, like Christine´s SKY, actually with 5 votes. Aaah, Christine: Congrats, In the FIFA World Cup Australia is in the last 16, the game against Croatia is one of the best I have seen in the cup, regardless the arbiter (with his help the result was 2-2, but Australia could win 4-2 with a correct arbitrage). Australia is a good team, much better than I have had suppose. The next time Australia is going to face...ITALY!. Cherry, I can´t say to you 'good luck' this time, sorry.

Jeremy Good wrote on 2006-06-23 UTC
When last I checked, Sky had just three votes. Glad to see it moving up; I hope it continues.

Christine Bagley-Jones wrote on 2006-06-23 UTC
bye bye Italy :)

Doug Chatham wrote on 2006-06-23 UTC
It looks like 'Two Pipe Chess' is so nice, it's listed twice.

Jeremy Good wrote on 2006-06-23 UTC
Well, I am rather fond of Two Pipe Chess. It is quite nice. But mea culpa, I created a second preset for it forgetting there already was one. I've deleted it now. Whooops!

Fergus Duniho wrote on 2006-07-15 UTC

Here are the modified results of this poll. I subtracted two votes for each previous email tournament a game has been in that was sponsored by this site. This only includes multivariant tournaments run by myself, Antoine Fourriere, or Glenn Overby. Since games with seven votes still numbered fewer than the voters, I also included games with six votes in the final results. Not counting Chaturanga, which as far as anyone knows is the same as Shatranj, there will be 35 games to rank in the upcoming poll. Since Falcon Chess and Falcon Chess 100 are both protected by the Falcon Chess patent, I will leave them out unless I receive permission from George Duke to include them in the tournament. That would leave 33 games to rank.

Crazyhouse	14
Omega Chess	15 - 2
Grand Shatranj	11
Dimension X	10
Time Travel Chess	10
Switching Chess	9
Falcon Chess	9
Templar Chess	9
Anti-King Chess II	11 - 2
Voidrider Chess	8
Great Shatranj	8
Sky	8
Cannons of Chesstonia	8
Catapults of Troy	8
Alice Chess	12 - 4
Janus Chess	7
Yáng Qí	7
Avalanche Chess	7
Storm the Ivory Tower	7
Mir Chess	7
Korean Chess	7
Shatranj of Troy	7
Pocket Mutation Chess	11 - 4
Capablanca's Chess	6
Capablanca Random Chess	6
Fusion Chess	6
Moderate Progressive Chess	6
Neutral King Chess	6
Falcon Chess 100	6
Shako	6
Shatranji	6
Modern Shatranj	6
Berolina Chess	6
Glinski's Hexagonal Chess	8 - 2
Rococo	10 - 4

The following games didn't make it, because they lost votes from being in previous tournaments.

Caïssa Britannia	7 - 2
Fischer Random Chess	7 - 2
Hostage Chess	7 - 2
Chess	7 - 2
Extinction Chess	9 - 4
Shogi	11 - 6
Ultima	6 - 2
Shatranj	6 - 2
Eurasian Chess	6 - 2
Chess with Different Armies	6 - 2
Marseillais Chess	6 - 2
Maxima	8 - 4
Grand Chess	9 - 6
Chinese Chess	8 - 6
Kamikaze Mortal Shogi	6 - 4

Jeremy Good wrote on 2006-07-15 UTC
A lot more games made it into the second poll than you had suggested. Is that because more people voted than you had thought would? How many games do you anticipate being selected for the final set?

Fergus Duniho wrote on 2006-07-15 UTC
As I said in an earlier post, 'The number of games played in the tournament will mainly be a function of how many people enter. More participants will mean more games.' Since 26 people voted in the first poll, I'm anticipating the possibility that there will be around 26 participants.

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