[ Help | Earliest Comments | Latest Comments ][ List All Subjects of Discussion | Create New Subject of Discussion ][ List Latest Comments Only For Pages | Games | Rated Pages | Rated Games | Subjects of Discussion ]Comments/Ratings for a Single Item Later ⇩Reverse Order⇧ Earlier Amazons. Amazons and a computer version.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]John Lawson wrote on 2018-04-23 UTCDavid, As Ben said, the CVP tends to be inclusive as far as what is considered a chess variant. There have been several discussions over the years, and it is always too hard to draw a precise line. Ultima was questioned because it didn't have replacement capture. There was a discussion around Nemoroth because the victory ondition was stalemate and the piece interactions were unique. All in all, any game inspired by chess that might interest a variantist would be included. Ben Reiniger wrote on 2018-04-22 UTCWhile we do fairly frequently bring up the question of what exactly qualifies something as a "chess variant," we acknowledge that there are different definitions. For this reason I think we try to be inclusive rather than exclusive in allowed items. (At least, that is my justification, and I suspect that may have been the case historically as well. Also, it is helpful that this is a website and not a book: if I were writing another Encyclopedia of CV's, I would be more inclined to be exclusive for space considerations.) Specifically here, we have a game played with a chess board and chess pieces (well, pieces with chess movement plus arrow-firing), but the goal and some mechanics have been completely changed. (Somewhere, I can't find it now, this group of games is described. Joust is another example, and maybe even puzzles like the 8 Queens and similar things qualify.) I've generally thought of Crossovers differently: they are specifically a blending of Chess with some other established game. E.g., I wouldn't consider this game or Joust crossovers. Cheskers is a crossover with checkers, and For the Crown is a crossover with deck-building games. Cheskers actually does seem to meet the royalty condition, though in a different way than standard chess (starting with more than one, and allowing the addition of new ones). David Cannon wrote on 2018-04-22 UTCI like the game, but I question whether it belongs on this website. To me, a chess variant must meet the following criteria : 1. Played on a board with multiple cells. 2. Diversity of pieces. In other words, pieces of different types that move and/or capture differently. That is why go and draughts/chequers don't qualify, and I don't think Amazons does, either. 3. Royalty — there must be a piece (or pieces) whose survival is indispensable. Again, go, chequers, and Amazons don't qualify. Arimaa perhaps does — just : if you lose all eight rabbits, you lose the game. But to have eight royal pieces seems a stretch, so that's why I've said "perhaps". I'm aware that this website has a "crossovers" section, which allows for games that have borrowed ideas from chess. Cheskers is a good example. It fails the royalty provision, but meets the diversity provision and therefore qualifies as a crossover. But Amazons fails on both counts, in my opinion. Filip Rachunek wrote on 2005-06-05 UTCExcellent ★★★★★You can play this interesting game on <a href=http://BrainKing.com>http://BrainKing.com</a> :-) Roberto Lavieri wrote on 2004-09-21 UTCExcellent ★★★★★Amazons is a great game. I can´t say it is a Chess Variant, the game is of territorial nature, and it is perhaps more close to Go. This game is moderately popular, perhaps more in South America than in other lands, I have seen it passionately played by a few universitary students, but it is not still a very diffused game, though. It is not easy implement a good program which plays Amazons well, but I have seen a couple of free decently strong programs for this game. You can try YAMAZON (v0.48), by Hiroshi Yamashita (http://www32.ocn.ne.jp/~yss/index.html), a very good contendor and a real challenge for intermediate players, and the reasonable strong program INVADER (v 2.1), by Richard Lorentz, which plays Amazon in a board of NxM http://www.csun.edu/~lorentz/amazon.htm). If you try these programs you are going to be greatly surprised, unless you are a very high-level player. 5 comments displayedLater ⇩Reverse Order⇧ EarlierPermalink to the exact comments currently displayed.