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Sin-yeon-sang-gi (新演象棋). I dramatized Sin-yeon-sang-hui (新演象戱), one of the variations of the Joseon Dynasty, in Xiangqi style.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Wed, Nov 15, 2023 12:33 PM EST:

I published this with some slight edits. I unchecked Historical from the categories, because I believe this is an original invention by the author that is based on a historical variant. I unchecked Multiplayer and Wargame, because it appears to be a normal two-player Chess variant.

💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 08:24 PM EST in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 01:05 PM:

Okay ! I'll do it later!

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Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 01:05 PM EST in reply to Daphne Snowmoon from 09:00 AM:

I think Sin-yeon-sang-hui is not well known for Westerners. Daphne, Would you be so kind to make also a page for this one, with the historical data theatre known? This is very interesting

💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 09:00 AM EST in reply to Bn Em from 08:51 AM:

SYSG (Sin-yeon-sang-gi) is a version adapted from SYSH (Sin-yeon-sang-hui), one of the historical variant of Janggi, in Xiangqi style. In the SYSH, there is no river, and instead of Xiangqi's Cannon, Janggi's Cannon exists. Also, The deployment will also be different from this one

Bn Em wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 08:51 AM EST in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 02:32 AM:

Afaict, it looks like Sin-yeon-sang-hui is a historical Janggi variant (though my Korean is nonexistent so I can't confirm any of what Daphne posted), and this is a back‐formation (‘dramatised’ is probably Google Translate or equivalent) of an an equivalent Xiàngqì‐derived variant.

Presumably the Korean original has no river and Korean‐style cannons/advisors/generals

💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 07:29 AM EST in reply to H. G. Muller from 04:13 AM:

Ahh thanks !

H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 04:13 AM EST in reply to Daphne Snowmoon from Thu Nov 18 11:30 PM:

When Cannon captures the Rhino, the text "I win!" appears. But it's not a checkmate situation at all. What error is this?

When you do not explicitly specify a royal piece through a parameter royal=N, the diagram assumes the last piece in the list is the royal one. In this case that is the Rhino. By default the diagram assumes extinction royalty. So when the diagram captures the second Rhino, it assumes it won the game.

Either re-order your piece lines in the diagram definition so that the King is last, or add a line royal=8.

💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 02:53 AM EST in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 02:32 AM:

新演象戱圖說 - 신연상희도설

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余乃更張之別開四路, 添之以牛與犀

而牛行田犀行月, 卒各添二比舊進據一路

於是乎博之數四十四而用兵之術亦可謂各極其妙矣

내가 그것(장기)을 새롭게 변형해 보았다.

우선 4개의 길을 더 늘리고, 우(牛)와 서(犀)라는 기물을 추가했다.

우(牛)는 밭전(田)자로 움직이고, 서(犀)는 눈목(目)자로 움직인다.

졸(卒)은 각각 2개씩 추가하는데, 이전과 다르게 하나의 길만 사용한다.

이에 기물의 수가 44개로 늘어나 용병술 역시 그 오묘함이 극에 달한다.

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Source : 靜默堂集 - 정묵당집 (1776)

If you want to, search the word 정묵당집 in https://kyu.snu.ac.kr/

Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 02:32 AM EST:

Is this variant a recent invention or is there an historical context? I don't understand. It is said "I dramatized Sin-yeon-sang-hui", but what is Sin-yeon-sang-hui?

Thank you

💡📝Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Thu, Nov 18, 2021 11:14 PM EST:

files=13 ranks=10 promoZone=5 promoChoice=Q graphicsDir=../graphics.dir/alfaerie/ whitePrefix=w blackPrefix=b graphicsType=gif squareSize=54 darkShade=#C8E0A8 lightShade=#F0FFC0 royal=8 symmetry=mirror pawn::fW:chinesepawn:a4,c4,e4,g4,i4,k4,m4 pawn (passed):Q:fsW:chinesepawn: guard::F:pawn:f1,h1 bull:U:afF:ox:e1,i1 horse::afsW:horse:d1,j1 cannon::::b3,l3 rook::::a1,m1 king::WfafyafcW:king:g1 bear:B:asfafW:tiger:c1,k1 rhino:I:afasfW:rhino:b1,l1