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 By John  Smith. Chess Dial. Play starts with Shogi, then mutates into Xiang Qi, then FIDE Chess, then Shogi again! (9x10, Cells: 90) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Charles Gilman wrote on 2009-09-07 UTC
A further alternative to T Wootten's suggestions would be a bar on entering the palace, treating its boundary as a two-way bar as the River is for Elephants. Indeed on that basis a General might even be barred from leaving the enemy palace!

John Smith wrote on 2009-09-05 UTC
Thanks for the comment. I've been trying to solve that problem myself. How about there is no fixed palace, but instead when it enters Xiang Qi mode, a new palace is created wherever the General/Advisor is?

T Wootten wrote on 2009-09-05 UTC
What if a player's Shogi King is outside the palace when the change to Xiang Qi happens?

I have several suggestions:

1) They lose. Both players out is either a draw, or a win for the closest. This is probably too harsh, since the piece can be forced out and kept out.

2) They must move it closer to (or into) the palace. Inability to do so is stalemate. Being a loss, that's again probably too harsh.

3) They must move it closer to (or into) the palace if possible. If impossible, they may make another move. This is my personal opinion (I've never played Chess Dial, so don't know if it is best, but it seems like it will give forcing opportunities.)

4) They may not move it further from the palace (but can leave it where it is.)

5) They may do anything. This would fit with considering the Xiang Qi rules prevent the General LEAVING the palace, but say nothing about what happens if it is already out. Removing the King/General from the palace may thus be a key tactic.

6) The General 'teleports' into the palace. Even there, many possible ways to choose which space, and whether it occurs as a move or between moves.

With 3 through 5, distances can be measured either crow-flies, or in moves - results may be different.

Similar arguments would apply to the advisor, though loss because of it being out of the palace would seem excessive, and there is also the extra option that an out-of-palace advisor is simply removed from the board.


John Smith wrote on 2008-11-17 UTC
That's only correct for Pawns, actually, pieces only are changed (other than Xiang Qi Pawns' river promotion) if they were promoted in the game they are currently in. It would be interesting to see people wonder whether they should promote, though.

Kuyan Judith wrote on 2008-11-15 UTC
It looks to me like any piece promoted in the Shogi setting would become a queen in the FIDE setting, but only if it survived ten turns of being an advisor. Advisors are so weak that players might avoid promoting pieces in the late Shogi setting to avoid having them.

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