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21st Century chess ZIP file. A Zillions file to play an updating of Chess for the video game generation, on a 10x8 board with Barons and Jesters.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Derek Nalls wrote on Sun, Feb 13, 2005 11:17 AM EST:
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Greg Strong wrote on Sun, Feb 13, 2005 12:06 PM EST:
Looks symmetrical to me.

Derek Nalls wrote on Sun, Feb 13, 2005 12:12 PM EST:
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Greg Strong wrote on Sun, Feb 13, 2005 01:27 PM EST:
So? This is your reason for rating a game 'poor'? Chess and Shogi are poor too, I assume?

Derek Nalls wrote on Sun, Feb 13, 2005 01:39 PM EST:
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Greg Strong wrote on Sun, Feb 13, 2005 02:11 PM EST:
Yes, Chess is a tragicly flawed game, but the problem is the large number of stalemates at the highest levels of play. I don't see how that has anything to do with any lack of east-west symmetry. Furthermore, your statement that without north-south and east-west symmetry you have 'abstract junk every time' is pretty remarkable. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I would point out that by making this statement, you are calling the great majority of the games invented by everyone in this community 'junk.' That's pretty strong.

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Sun, Feb 13, 2005 03:36 PM EST:
<P>Derek Nalls writes:</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, symmetry is the first and most important criterion for a high-quality chess variant. Without it, you have abstract junk every time. </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I so disagree with this. Symmetry, by which I assume you mean perfect symmetry, is not that important. In fact, assymetry is a desirable quality, because it multiplies the mathematically distinguishable opening moves by about two. As for symmetric games vs. assymetric games, I find that one of my least favorites, your own Corner Chess 10 x 10, is symmetric, while one of my favorites, Shogi, is assymetric. In fact, I enjoy many assymetric games and have never thought they might be better by being symmetric. I find no evidence nor imagine any reason why perfect symmetry would make a game better, much less be 'the first and most important criterion for a high-quality chess variant.'</P>

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