[ Help | Earliest Comments | Latest Comments ][ List All Subjects of Discussion | Create New Subject of Discussion ][ List Latest Comments Only For Pages | Games | Rated Pages | Rated Games | Subjects of Discussion ]Comments/Ratings for a Single Item Later ⇩Reverse Order⇧ Earlier 21st Century chess . An updating of Chess for the video game generation, on a 10x8 board with Barons and Jesters.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Fergus Duniho wrote on 2005-02-13 UTC<P>Derek Nalls writes:</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, symmetry is the first and most important criterion for a high-quality chess variant. Without it, you have abstract junk every time. </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I so disagree with this. Symmetry, by which I assume you mean perfect symmetry, is not that important. In fact, assymetry is a desirable quality, because it multiplies the mathematically distinguishable opening moves by about two. As for symmetric games vs. assymetric games, I find that one of my least favorites, your own Corner Chess 10 x 10, is symmetric, while one of my favorites, Shogi, is assymetric. In fact, I enjoy many assymetric games and have never thought they might be better by being symmetric. I find no evidence nor imagine any reason why perfect symmetry would make a game better, much less be 'the first and most important criterion for a high-quality chess variant.'</P> Greg Strong wrote on 2005-02-13 UTCYes, Chess is a tragicly flawed game, but the problem is the large number of stalemates at the highest levels of play. I don't see how that has anything to do with any lack of east-west symmetry. Furthermore, your statement that without north-south and east-west symmetry you have 'abstract junk every time' is pretty remarkable. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I would point out that by making this statement, you are calling the great majority of the games invented by everyone in this community 'junk.' That's pretty strong. Derek Nalls wrote on 2005-02-13 UTC[Comment voluntarily deleted.] Greg Strong wrote on 2005-02-13 UTCSo? This is your reason for rating a game 'poor'? Chess and Shogi are poor too, I assume? Derek Nalls wrote on 2005-02-13 UTC[Comment voluntarily deleted.] Greg Strong wrote on 2005-02-13 UTCLooks symmetrical to me. Derek Nalls wrote on 2005-02-13 UTC[Comment voluntarily deleted.] 7 comments displayedLater ⇩Reverse Order⇧ EarlierPermalink to the exact comments currently displayed.