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Sky. Brilliant original game by Christine Bagley-Jones. Pieces promote through a succession of odd leapers eventually to a rooks.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]

Claudio Martins Jaguaribe wrote on Tue, Sep 29, 2009 02:21 AM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★

Couldn't we get a better name for the (0,3), (3,3), (0,4) and (4,4) leapers?

I'm not very fond of these names...

Tha name lancer, C.G. uses charolais, seems nice.

Kisses!

💡📝Christine Bagley-Jones wrote on Tue, Jan 11, 2011 02:23 AM UTC:

sorry didnt see your comment till now :) well u know, i dont really like some of these names either, though i dont mind the 'tripper', however, i didn't make these names up, i got them from George Jelliss's site 'all the king's men'. http://www.mayhematics.com/v/gm.htm#L About the 'lancer', i dont mind that name, but, i know i didn't make it up but i can't seem to see a 4-2 leaper mentioned on that webpage lol. While i'm here, i have been thinking about what some people have said about the tripper able to check on move 2 and maybe this is no good, and, maybe u guys are right, haha, i'm thinking of updating this game and simply just taking the offending trippers away, i tried this out and it seems to play just as good as the game does in it's present format. Also, there are two other weird leapers that i'm sure would hardly be in any games, these are the 'root-65-leaper' (8-1), (7-4) and the 'root-85-leaper' (9-2), (7-6). I was thinking of putting them in the promotional line to the rook, after the 'fiveleaper', but it wont work on a 10x10 board haha, so, sadly, i'm thinking of a 'sky high' variant with these leapers on a 12x12 board. anyways, thanks for your comments and interest in the game :) ok, i found where i got the name 'lancer' from, this page here, http://www.ktn.freeuk.com/9a.htm#%282%29

Claudio Martins Jaguaribe wrote on Tue, Jan 11, 2011 02:35 PM UTC:

Charles Gilman proposed Charlais for the 4:2 leaper, I propose templar, because the Knights Templar seal shows two knights sharing a single horse.

Hugs & Kisses!

Anonymous wrote on Tue, Jan 11, 2011 06:50 PM UTC:

I never saw 3:3 + 0:3 and a 4:4 + 0:4 compound. A hint: always take a look
in Taikoku Shogi it might have not only the piece, but a poetic name too,
another good source is Adrian King's work.

Hugs & Kisses, or send me a good beer! ;) (Sorry I'm a carioca brazilian
and I love to play, tease, with people I admire and like).

Charles Gilman wrote on Tue, Jan 11, 2011 07:29 PM UTC:

My term for the 4:2 leaper is actually Charolais, after the livestock breeds - you've made me look vainer than I am! The combined 7:4 and 8:1 leaper is the Bat of John Savard's Leaping Bat Chess. More to follow when I've had time to write it up offline.

💡📝Christine Bagley-Jones wrote on Wed, Jan 12, 2011 05:44 AM UTC:

yes i've noticed John Savard's 'Leaping Bat Chess', how he calls the 'root-65-leaper' the 'Bat'. Alfaerie Graphics has a bat graphic so i better use this graphic for this piece, lol. Hard to see much info on the 'root-85-leaper', (9-2), (7-6), got no idea right now what graphic to use for this, but, lol, i'm sure it will go down well what i use :)

Claudio Martins Jaguaribe wrote on Wed, Jan 12, 2011 05:01 PM UTC:

Charles, if you just take a look on my first post (where I rated the game) you'll notice that the charlais was just a typo! There I used the correct name charolais.

Hugs and still waiting for that beers (LOL)!

Charles Gilman wrote on Fri, Jan 14, 2011 06:56 AM UTC:

I took up the Bat, as it were, for Man and Beast 03 when I realised how well a flying mammal fitted my ideas for naming its components - the 8:1 Ibis as part of a sequence of bird names for near-Rookwise leapers leaping off the Flamingo, and the 7:4 Ibex as a similar name but after a 'standard' quadrupedal mammal. For 9:2 I kept up the bird theme with a suitably unwieldy Albatross, while 8:7 I termed Curate as part of a sequence of churchmen for near-Bishopwise leapers. The combined root-85 leaper I termed Priestess as bird+churchman=woman suitably echoed the radial linepieces.

Jörg Knappen wrote on Fri, Jan 14, 2011 08:06 PM UTC:

Unfortunately, Ibis is a well established and published name for the (1,5)-leaper, see e.g., here:

http://www.dieschwalbe.de/lexikon.htm

Jörg Knappen wrote on Fri, Jan 14, 2011 08:08 PM UTC:

From the same source:

Interstingly, german and english names diverge for the (2,4)-leaper. While by Jeliss, the name lancer is well established, there is the german name 'Hase' (meaning hare).

💡📝Christine Bagley-Jones wrote on Sat, Jan 15, 2011 02:10 PM UTC:

Thank you very much for the link there Mr. Knappen (i can't read your first name, webpage doesn't show 2nd letter, is it 'Jorg').
That page looks fantastic, lots of info, but it's in german right, lol, dang i can't read it lol.
I can make out some stuff though, and yes the 5-1 leaper there is called 'Ibis', and, come to think of it, i don't know if i have ever seen the 5-1 even mentioned. Also that page show's the 'flamingo', and besides this site, that is another leaper that is not mentioned on other pages too, i don't think George Jelliss has it on his page.
Also, that page gives two names for the 4-2 leaper, 'Lancer' and 'Hase'. Mr. Jelliss also calls 4-2 leaper 'Lancer', so, this page is not connected with him, right?

Oh, Charles, who is 'Torsten Linss', u give a link to some problems he composed about the 'flamingo'.

Charles Gilman wrote on Sun, Jan 16, 2011 07:32 AM UTC:

J.K.:
This is quite a claim from someone who in September 2002 said here: 'I have collected the names of leapers from several sources, the (1,5)-leaper is yet unnamed to my knowledge.' Subsequent comments include my March 2003 suggestion of Zemel for 5:1 and April 2003 suggestion of Ibis for 8:1, but no immeditae objection. Do you know whether the usage that you describe is a problematist's, or whether it has ever been used in a game? There is a strong tendency on these pages to disregard problematists' usage - my own adoption of, and extrapolation from, Sexton for 2:1:1 is something of an exception. Certainly few here feel any obligation to call Rook+Knight Empress rather than the Marshal or Chancellor of established variants such as Capablanca Chess.

C.B.-J.: I've never heard of him. How did you find out about him to set up your link to his problems?

Claudio Martins Jaguaribe wrote on Mon, Jan 17, 2011 02:30 AM UTC:

Charles:
You owe me an apologie! After all you acused me to made you look vain, when
it' was clearly a typo!!!!

Does the the words:'Sorry Claudio. You right! I'm didn't noticed the
first comment!'. Aren't in your vocabulary??!! The lack of a apologie
really did you look vain, after all uncapable to admit that you made a
minor mistake.

At least GEORGE DUKE PAYS ATENTION IN WHAT I WRITE!

💡📝Christine Bagley-Jones wrote on Mon, Jan 17, 2011 03:00 AM UTC:

i'm not fully sure what is going on around here but it's entertaining.

*makes popcorn*

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Mon, Jan 17, 2011 03:15 AM UTC:

I'm sure Charles was speaking in jest and doesn't owe you an apology for anything. He made a light-hearted comment, not an accusation.

Charles Gilman wrote on Mon, Jan 17, 2011 06:51 AM UTC:

Sorry if I offended anyone. The original comment was well over a year agoi and I'd been reading recent comments on all subjects rather than all comments on this one (from a link some way down the home page).

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