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Florin Lupusoru wrote on Mon, Nov 13, 2023 04:18 PM UTC:

Note to the editors. Could you please delete this page for now. I am trying to republish Chess 121 under the new name but the site won't allow me since I never published anything on this site. Many thanks.


H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, Apr 14, 2023 12:20 PM UTC in reply to Florin Lupusoru from Wed Apr 12 05:15 AM:

It is not so much a matter of being controversial. The current description will be difficult to publish because it is impossible to understand from it what exactly the rules are. For many of the sentences you wrote I have no clue as to what they mean, if indeed they do mean anything at all. For example:

The Queen can be in check too.  

Yes, and? Must it move out of check in that case, can it move into check?

One of the unique features of Dating Chess is the "attraction power" of each piece. Each piece has either a "+" or "-" sign underneath it, representing its "attraction power" on a 50-50 ratio for each army.

Is this information hidden from the players until the pieces get involved in a capture, or can they peek onto the bottom of a piece any time they want? How is the assignment of the +/- decided? Do just any 8 randomly chosen pieces get a +, or must the + signs be evenly divided over the various piece types?

The person with the "+" sign becomes the head of the family, and the other person switches sides.

If there is no normal capture, then what does 'check' mean in the first rule above? If a single + King is attacked by a - Knight, is it in check? What if the King did manage to become part of a family: is it in check when a Knight 'attacks' it (i.e. could have moved to the same square if it had been empty)? Or can only a Divorce Lawyer check it? Can a King labeled with - capture a single enemy piece? What happens if that piece turns out to be a +, so the King now flips side in the resulting family?

They continue to remain both on the same square and can move as either one or the other piece that form the family.

So what happens if the capture was en passant? Do attacker and victim still end up on the same square, and would that the square of the attacker, or the victim, or the piece marked with the +?

In that case, the Queen will "fall in love" and agree to "forming a family" by jumping across the board in the same square with the King.

What is the point of that? The game is already finished at that point, right? So who cares what goes on after the game?

The political landscape of the game is also determined by the ratio of liberal/conservative families on the board.

What decides if a family is liberal or conservative, and have all families to be one or the other, or are there neutral families too? The concepts liberal and conservative have not been mentioned at all. What does 'political landscape' mean here, and why should anyone care what it is?

Any enemy piece in the King’s or Queen’s range, upon capturing, can become the new Queen or King.

Upon capturing??? Does that mean when it captures, or when it gets captured? What does 'getting captured' mean here anyway? Is the piece that remains stationary captured, or the piece that flipped color (which could also have been the moving one, if it was labeled -). Does this also apply to pieces that were 'expelled' because of a non-match? What does 'new King or Queen' mean here? Does it get a King's move (in addition to the move of the piece it was paired with)? Or does it keep its move, and now is royal? Would it still win when it entered the opponent's territory as part of such a family?

In that case, the other “single” royal figure on the board becomes vulnerable and can be checkmated.

Checkmated? Can it be checked, then? Or do you mean that it can be captured (whatever that means), and is under no obligation any longer to avoid that?

The King wins if he can enter the Queen's territory.

Can it move into check when doing this? (Whatever check means...)

The King is by default conservative, while the Queen is liberal. 

By default??? So it can also be different? Under what circumstances? Before, you mentioned families could be conservative of liberal. But single pieces can apparently be that too?

If the head of a family decides to self sacrifice in order to save his/her own royal figure, the family is spit up and both pieces will return to the original owners.

Split up how? When a player decides to do this, where would the pieces be located afterwards? What is considerd 'saving its own royal figure', that apparently is the condition for being allowed to do this?

The White King can still lose the game, even after "marrying" the Pink Queen, or another Queen, if the liberal/ conservative family ratio is too unbalanced on the other side. 

What is considered 'too unbalanced'?

However, a newly formed royal family may count as two ordinary families from the board. 

A 'royal family' is a family where both pieces are royal? Not just one?

In summary: almost nothing is clear. The whole description utterly sucks. That has nothing to do with the game itself, which people might actually like, if they only could understand how it has to be played.

Also note the diagram you show does not correspond to the setup you describe in the text.


Florin Lupusoru wrote on Wed, Apr 12, 2023 05:15 AM UTC:

I hope the editors are happy with the modified rules of this game. I am not expecting this game to be published because it is still very controversial. Just for the record, when I posted it on several online forums, people's reaction convinced me that it would be very hard to get such a game published. Some of the rules can still be changed, of course, but the idea is to keep the things that would make this game unique. And who knows, people may even like it.


Florin Lupusoru wrote on Tue, Apr 11, 2023 08:51 AM UTC in reply to Carlos Cetina from Wed Mar 29 01:03 PM:

Thank you so much for the diagram. I really didn't know how to do it. I'll come back soon with an updated version of the rules for the game.


Carlos Cetina wrote on Wed, Mar 29, 2023 01:03 PM UTC:

With the aim of clarifying Florin Lupusoru's proposal a bit, I insert the following diagram that I think would reflect his idea well. I have placed the Divorce Lawyers (knight guards) provisionally on b3/b7 and h3/h7 where I think it would be more appropriate, subject to the author's approval.

dating chess setup

Later I will comment something on this matter, at this moment I run out to meet a commitment.


H. G. Muller wrote on Wed, Mar 29, 2023 07:29 AM UTC:

Perhaps an editor who knows how to do this can move this comment to the Dating Chess discussion? Currently it is an off-topic comment on Pink Chess.


Ben Reiniger wrote on Tue, Mar 28, 2023 11:50 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 09:45 PM:

I don't mind the introduction as much, although I'll note that this game is much more complex than a large number of variants here. I won't be the editor to approve this though, because I find the theme needlessly offensive (the king wins by forcibly marrying the queen, and then something about gender and political affiliation?). Furthermore, most of the rules are unclear to me.

As to time for editorial review, the average is a number of months, not hours, due primarily to lack of time of the (volunteer!) editors. Submissions that require more editorial work will take longer, while those needing nothing more than a quick review might get published a short time after coming to our attention. You may have noticed a recent problem brought to our attention involving extremely old submissions that had fallen through the cracks (which have still not entirely been addressed; I hope to have a little time this week).


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Tue, Mar 28, 2023 09:45 PM UTC:

I am not an editor but I would like to make some comments. Having a feedback on the 27, and complaining the 28, without answering the request, that it is too long to come is not fair.

Coming on a website where people love chess variants to say "I have created this game because I don't like most of the chess variants. They only add exotic pieces with crazy moves, and the games are too complex, while lacking in strategy." is not friendly. If you don't like most chess variants you don't need to lose your time here.

Your comment is very subjective. Exotic is not problem, exotic from which point of view? Everyone is exotic to someone else. Crazy, well, not sure that your proposal is less crazy than many other. Same for complex, there are many variants less complex than yours, and by the way, complex is not a problem for those who loves complexity. Lacking in strategy: how do you know (if you know what strategy is)?

If I was an editor, I would not publish your game with such an introduction, there are enough forums on the web where narrow-mind exclusive comments against chess variants can be made.


Florin Lupusoru wrote on Tue, Mar 28, 2023 04:58 PM UTC:

Why does it take so long to get a game published? My game description is complete.


Florin Lupusoru wrote on Mon, Mar 27, 2023 05:23 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 01:49 PM:

I have updated the description. As for the diagram, I am struggling to draw it with the tools provided.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Mon, Mar 27, 2023 01:49 PM UTC in reply to Florin Lupusoru from 12:06 PM:

Your setup description is vague. Make it specific and detailed and include a diagram.


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