[ Help | Earliest Comments | Latest Comments ][ List All Subjects of Discussion | Create New Subject of Discussion ][ List Latest Comments Only For Pages | Games | Rated Pages | Rated Games | Subjects of Discussion ]Rated Comments for a Single ItemLater ⇩Reverse Order⇧ Earlier Carrera's Chess. Large chess variant from 17th century Italy. (10x8, Cells: 80) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]George Duke wrote on 2005-01-24 UTCExcellent ★★★★★Mark Thompson in the classic article 'Defining the Abstract' uses the term 'their present perfection' referring to families of games including chess. Unfortunately CVP has never reprinted that article. I probably would have changed use of verb 'perfect' if Thompson's comment had not intervened. I mean 'to make better'. I think of the various Carrera embodiments as like rolling terrain with higher hills hard to discern with our tools which protrude, but with limited time we make the best estimate, and give supporting facts, including game scores. David Paulowich wrote on 2004-09-21 UTCExcellent ★★★★★'Carrera Random Chess' - all your variants in one game! The game starts with only the pawns on the board. Each Player divides the remaining pieces into five pairs: R+R, N+N, B+B, K+Q, and C+A (using the names Chancellor and Archbishop). White begins by choosing a pair and placing them somewhere on the first rank. Black copies this placement on the eighth rank and then places another pair of pieces somewhere on the eighth rank. White copies and then places another pair. Black copies and then places another pair. White copies and then places the final pair. Black copies on the eighth rank, resulting in an opening setup with every Black piece on the same file as the corresponding White piece. No castling allowed and no need to place the rooks on either side of the King. The only special rule is: Bishops must be placed on squares of opposite color. Naturally this also means you are not allowed to fill all the available squares of one color before the Bishops have been placed. The game should be played with the modern rules for pawn movement and capturing. Promotion to Archbishop, Chancellor or Queen works perfectly. Back on August 18, I discussed the myth of underpromotion in games with this piece set - see the Comments to 'Mainzer Schach'. William Overington wrote on 2002-06-20 UTCExcellent ★★★★★Looking at http://www.chessvariants.com/historic.dir/carrera.html which is the Carrera's Chess page I notice that both Queens are on a square of their own colour at the start of play. Looking at the start up position in the Java applet of http://chessvariants.com/play/erf/CarreraC.htm I notice that neither Queen is on a square of her own colour at the start of play. Does anyone by any chance have access to reproductions of any illustrations from the 1617 book please so that the matter may be determined historically please? I have recently been devising some code point and illustration pairings of Unicode code points and chess symbols. I have now added some more code points so as to include the Champion and the Centaur of Carrera's Chess. I have published these in the hope that that might lead to some Unicode compatible chess founts being produced, perhaps including the Carrera pieces. The first document is at the following address. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/chess.htm The second document is at the following address. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/chess2.htm Both documents are available from the index at the following address. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/golden.htm The index page of the webspace is as follows. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo As I am interested in typography I am interested to know what designs the 1617 book suggested for the Champion and the Centaur (if indeed any). Does anyone know please? William Overington 20 June 2002 William Overington wrote on 2002-06-19 UTCExcellent ★★★★★Does anyone play Carrera's Chess please? I like the idea of playing this game simply because it is so old. I have seen the note in the older feedback which leads to mention of a 19th Century translation of his book. Does that book deal with ordinary chess or with Carrera's Chess, or both, please? Are there any documented games of Carrera's Chess please, in particular from the 17th Century? William Overington 19 June 2002 [email protected] 4 comments displayedLater ⇩Reverse Order⇧ EarlierPermalink to the exact comments currently displayed.