The Chess Variant Pages




[ Help | Earliest Comments | Latest Comments ]
[ List All Subjects of Discussion | Create New Subject of Discussion ]
[ List Latest Comments Only For Pages | Games | Rated Pages | Rated Games | Subjects of Discussion ]

Comments/Ratings for a Single Item

Later Reverse Order Earlier
Walkers and Jumpers. Walkers and Jumpers is a combination 2D - 4D chancellor chess variant that uses 9 pieces and 9 pawns per side. (9x21, Cells: 189) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Joe Joyce wrote on 2010-10-18 UTC
I've found another mixed-dimensions/chess-on-2-boards game. It is Sub-Chess, designed by Alexander Chebotaryov, 1988, and found on page 196 in the Classified Enc, of Chess Variants. There are 2 versions of the game, Chess-112 and Chess-M-48, using the same board but some different movement and capture rules. Pieces are FIDE standard.

The basic idea is to use a standard chess set, and divide the central 16 squares into 4 smaller squares each, creating a smaller [S] 8x8 board incorporated in the middle of the larger [L] 8x8 board. Pieces in the center squares would simultaneously be on an L square and an S square. Therefore, pieces might move either on the L or S squares in the center of the board. 

This would allow a knight, moving normally on the small squares, to make a 1 square diagonal or orthogonal move on the large board, for example. And it would require 2 blocking pieces next to each other in the center large squares. 

Is anyone familiar with this game who might comment on how it plays? These sorts of games are tricky to get right.

Joe Joyce wrote on 2010-10-17 UTC
Daniil, you are right that it would be more interesting and more complicated if all pieces were both walkers and jumpers. Someone suggested this for my hyperchess game also, where it is equally true. The problem is in the complicated part. The game becomes too complicated to play with any ability at all. Of course, a lot of people like that sort of game. Here is where I prove I actually am conservative in some things, because I am not one of those people. 

This game is something of an examination of how small a dimension can be and still be 'useful' in a chess sense. It pushed me into looking more at 3D and 4D games with an eye toward playability. Chess on 2 Boards [a bust], Taxi, Directed Alice III, and 3D Great Shatranj round out my foray into higher-dimensional chess.

I am not the only one who thinks it's complicated. Daniil, you are the second person in the world to play Walkers and Jumpers with me, the first being Abdul-Rahman Sibahi, who made the preset. I have played a few games of Hyperchess against different opponents, but don't get a lot of second game offers. Directed Alice and Chess on 2 Boards have never been played all the way through. Taxi and 3D Great Shatranj have never been played. People are not eager to play highly complex games they think they won't understand.

To be honest, neither am I. I do not want to play Raumschach or Chesseract, because I think they are too complicated for reasonable play. You don't find many people who will play a game if they know they will look like complete idiots trying to play it. [As recent TV programs have demonstrated, however, you can find some...] It doesn't make any difference how easy you make the game, if people think it's too difficult for them to enjoy it, they are unlikely to play. 

On the other hand, since nobody plays these games, why not add versions that are more complicated? The extremely few people who might be interested in the original game would more likely than not enjoy optional versions.

Daniil Frolov wrote on 2010-10-17 UTC
It can be more interesting (but more complicated) if all pieces will be both walkers and jumpers.

Abdul-Rahman Sibahi wrote on 2006-12-04 UTCExcellent ★★★★★
The Courier preset :

http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MPwalkersandjump

4 comments displayed

Later Reverse Order Earlier

Permalink to the exact comments currently displayed.