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Tori Shogi. Tori Shogi, or Bird Shogi. A variant of Japanese Chess on a 7 by 7 board. (7x7, Cells: 49) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Ed wrote on Tue, Dec 3, 2019 02:36 AM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★

I see that a new study of historical sources on Tori Shogi has been published: https://www.amazon.co.jp/禽将棋についての研究-禽将棋の背景と系統的位置づけ-MyISBN-デザインエッグ社-松本尚也/dp/4815014205/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_ja_JP=カタカナ&keywords=禽将棋&qid=1575339500&sr=8-1

I wonder if any Japanese have read the book and can comment on what new discoveries this book reveals.


Dave Brandl wrote on Fri, Nov 10, 2017 05:05 AM UTC:

The Way of Tori Shogi is a book that's now available, with strategies, openings, and notated games. It's at ToriShogi.com


Ed wrote on Wed, May 21, 2014 02:27 AM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
@H. G. Muller: Thank you for the update and the addition of kanji. I may be one of the masochists you mentioned, but I have always played this game with kanji, and so a long-time custom makes this a better choice for me. In all seriousness, though, I am very grateful for your chu shogi and tori shogi offerings. I hope others here get great satisfaction from them, too.

H. G. Muller wrote on Thu, May 8, 2014 03:31 PM UTC:
I just updated the package, as there was a bug in WinBoard considering dropping of a Pheasant illegal.

A Japanese website ( http://www10.ocn.ne.jp/~cha/kotenyugi/tori_shougi/tori_syogi.htm ) mentions a different repetition rule: there the side that first created a repeated position must alter its move to prevent it is repeated for the third time, rather than the one playing out of it. Except during a check evasion; you can always evade whichever way you like.

For Shokidoki I adopted the practically identical rule that it is forbidden to repeat, but that perpetual checking is even more forbidden.

Ed wrote on Tue, May 6, 2014 02:14 PM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
@H.G. Muller: Bravo! Thank you for this generous gift for tori shogi players!

H. G. Muller wrote on Tue, May 6, 2014 08:41 AM UTC:

My Shogi engine Shokidoki now also can play Tori Shogi (next to regular, Judkins and mini-Shogi). In the WinBoard GUI, it currently looks as follows:

The promoted pieces (not shown here) look like a cannon (+P) and a bird of prey (+Fa).

WinBoard does not have bitmaps for Shogi-style kanji pieces for Tori Shogi, but of course masochistic users that would want these can define their own piece images in WinBoard (through a true-type font).

BTW, the repetition rule mentioned here sounds suspect. (And I could not recognize it in a Google translation of the Japanese Wikipedia, which is even more suspect.) It would imply that a side who starts 'perpetually' checking will win the game, as when the position where his opponent was in check for the first time will finally materialize for the third time, the checked side must now vary, and consequently sacrifice his King, when he is no longer allowed to repeat the only safe evasion. This is very un-Shogi like (and percieved as rather unsatisfactory by orthodox Chess players as well).

The engine + WinBoard (plus another engine, HaChu) is available in a package that supports 7 Shogi variants: Dai, Chu, Sho, regular, Tori, Judkins and mini-Shogi (plus Makruk, Shatranj and Chess-without-castling).

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Anonymous wrote on Wed, Jul 7, 2010 02:39 PM UTC:
Hey, this game is one of 3 most popular shogi variants (with sho shogi and chu shogi)! Why there is no preset?

Anonymous wrote on Thu, Apr 15, 2010 11:33 AM UTC:
Courious that this game have same number of piece types and same number of
pieces for each type (as was noted in previous comment): 1-1-2-2-2-8 (if
think that diffirent quils are same type of pieces)!
Is it coincidence or Tori Shogi is invented with some influence of European
chess?

playshogi wrote on Sat, Jun 14, 2008 08:57 PM UTC:
there is now a kanji and chess set on kurnik Pawn-swallow Queen-Falcon King-Phoenix Rook-Crane Bishop-Pheasant Knight (facing right)-Left Quail Knight (facing left)-Right Quail

Douglas wrote on Sat, Sep 22, 2007 07:35 AM UTC:

There is now a zillions-of-games file for Tori Shogi as well with both Kanji and bird graphics at www.zillions-of-games.com

(Tori Shogi)


P L wrote on Mon, Aug 9, 2004 10:39 PM UTC:
I have created a (free) Tori Shogi adaptation using a generic,
free/open-source boardgame/wargame engine called the Vassal engine
(http://vassalengine.org/) which runs on all major OSes, and allows for
both online and play-by-email gaming.

If you would like to give it a shot, the beta can be found in the
'Files' section of the Yahoo Group of the same name.

P.

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