[ Help | Earliest Comments | Latest Comments ][ List All Subjects of Discussion | Create New Subject of Discussion ][ List Latest Comments Only For Pages | Games | Rated Pages | Rated Games | Subjects of Discussion ]Comments/Ratings for a Single Item Later ⇩Reverse Order⇧ Earlier Shatranj Kamil II. Large historic shatranj variant with new piece: dabbabah or war machine. (10x10, Cells: 100) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Nuno wrote on 2008-10-09 UTCPoor ★So this page and the other Kamil should already been corrected... Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on 2006-05-14 UTCAs I posted for the other so-called 'Kamil', Gollon made a lot of regretful mistakes. This variant here was not called Kamil either. It was called Shatranj at-tâmma, meaning complete chess. It was not inspired by the other one, there no proof of that, it is more likely an independant invention. It is first recorded in a manuscript from the 12th c., and could be, as the rest of the manuscript, as old as the 9th c. But the most important mistake is the Pawns which should be arranged on the 3rd line ! (Murray, p341). 2 comments displayedLater ⇩Reverse Order⇧ EarlierPermalink to the exact comments currently displayed.