[ Help | Earliest Comments | Latest Comments ][ List All Subjects of Discussion | Create New Subject of Discussion ][ List Latest Comments Only For Pages | Games | Rated Pages | Rated Games | Subjects of Discussion ]Comments/Ratings for a Single Item Later ⇩Reverse Order⇧ Earlier Chess Utrecht: A True Type chess font. A True Type chess font.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]melvin wrote on 2005-02-28 UTCYour chess fonts work well in the arena gui. I'm rather fond of the slightly smaller size of utrecht chess pieces, which allows me to see the board more clearly. It's a natural fit. I feel quite comfortable playing chess with these fonts, thanks. sincerely, melvin William Overington wrote on 2002-06-23 UTCExcellent ★★★★★Well, it is not a matter of 'not completely illegal' as if using those code points is in some way skating on thin ice around the edges of legality of using Unicode, the specification provides the Private Use Area specifically so that end users may, if they so choose, use private code point definitions in order to use special symbols within software packages which are Unicode compliant: the situation however is that the right to make such definitions is not exclusive, so although a regular Unicode symbol has a unique meaning, a Private Use Area definition does not have an absolutely exclusive meaning except amongst a group of users who choose to accept any particular meanings as absolute within a certain context. So, within a group such as people interested in expressing chess diagrams in Unicode compatible format within documents specifically about chess, then the code points could be used, within those documents, as if the definitions were absolute. Problems would only occur if a plain text file were processed on some other computer system set up for, say, ancient Babylonian cuneiform characters where people interested in that topic might possibly have used the same code points for representing cuneiform characters. The chess diagrams would come out as cuneiform characters. Likewise, a file intended to be of cuneiform characters displayed using a chess fount would have chess pieces here and there in a muddle of some sort. However, if files are carefully kept apart and only used in their own contexts, definitions of code point meanings within the Private Use Area for chess symbols, cuneiform characters and various other uses is a very useful facility for electronic typography. I am aware that the Private Use Area is being used for cuneiform characters, yet I do not know whether the code points chosen overlap with those which I have chosen for chess symbols. Naturally, anyone else is perfectly entitled to produce their own, different, list of code point allocations for chess symbols if they wish. However, if they wish to use those which I have published, then they are welcome to do so. I hope that I do not sound too picky about explaining this, but I would like to avoid any possibility of anyone getting the idea that using such Private Use Area code points is wrong, as the Private Use Area is a specifically provided facility for doing such things. Certainly, some people feel that a better way to produce chess diagrams would be to use markup of some sort based upon the twelve chess symbols in regular Unicode rather than use a special fount containing symbols defined in the Private Use Area. That is a debatable point, maybe there are reasons for using both possibilities. Yet using the Private Use Area of Unicode in this manner is an entirely proper activity. I happen to like the idea of the individual codes for the symbols, perhaps because of having had the pleasure of having used a metal type chess fount to set chess diagrams. In relation to metal chess founts and diagrams, do you happen to know please as to whether diagrams in old chess books were produced using woodcuts or engravings of a whole diagram or whether metal chess founts were used? In particular, do you happen to know whether the book by Carrera of 1617 used whole diagrams or a chess fount please? I am interested in this for its historical aspects. I have added code points for symbols for Carrera's Chess into my collection of code points and am interested to find out more about his book and the way in which it was produced and also in the way in which D. Carrera represented the Champion and the Centaur. William Overington 23 June 2002 gnohmon wrote on 2002-06-23 UTCOkay, using those code points in Unicode is not completely illegal. I felt like a criminal when I used them for the symbols used on the 3278 status line; and that was because as I read the document then it really did seem to discourage such use. William Overington wrote on 2002-06-21 UTCExcellent ★★★★★Section 13.5 of Chapter 13 of the Unicode specification is about the Private Use Area. The word published is used in an example of the possible use of Private Use Area code points. This document is available from http://www.unicode.org and is called ch13.pdf. Certainly my collection of code points are not a 'standard' as I make clear in the documents. However, if end users choose to use them consistently they do help move chess founts into Unicode compatibility. I have now added some code points for the additional pieces for Carrera's Chess. The index page is as follows. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/golden.htm William Overington 21 June 2002 gnohmon wrote on 2002-06-21 UTC'in the hope of providing some Unicode compatible code points for symbols' It is explicitly stated in the ISO standard document for Unicode that using code points unspecified by the standard for private, application-specific, or proprietary use is not encouraged and is not standard. 'Unicode compatible code points for symbols' is not possible. At minimum, oxymoron, at worst, gross violation of international law. What a shame. Great idea, but completely illegal. William Overington wrote on 2002-06-18 UTCExcellent ★★★★★Thank you for providing the Chess Utrecht fount free on your website. I like the design of the Bishops. Very stylish. Earlier today I added into our family webspace a document entitled 'Some Private Use Area code points for chess pieces for use in chess diagrams.' in the hope of providing some Unicode compatible code points for symbols for producing chess diagrams and wonder if you might like to have a look please. I would be very interested to know the reaction of people who like to use chess founts on computer equipment. The specific document is as follows. www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/chess.htm The section index is as follows. www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/golden.htm The home page of the webspace is as follows. www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo William Overington 18 June 2002 [email protected] 6 comments displayedLater ⇩Reverse Order⇧ EarlierPermalink to the exact comments currently displayed.