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The huygens chess piece (submitting to be catalogued in the Piececlopedia)[Subject Thread] [Add Response]
V. Reinhart wrote on Fri, Apr 7, 2017 03:07 AM UTC:
To Fergus, Greg, and all others concerned,
I would like to submit a piece to the CVP Piececlopedia, and hope you can add it to the catalog.
The chess piece is the Huygens and is played in Trappist-1 and can also be played in variations of Chess on an Infinite Plane .
Including this piece in Piececlopedia will help demonstrate that CVP remains focused on keeping the catalog up-to-date, especially with new pieces that bring new tactical concepts to variant chess games. The huygens is also a piece which is interesting to mathemeticians doing work in the field of game theory, including those who study chess games played on an infinite chessboard.
(Aurelian pointed out to me the YouTube video about Infinite Chess which has become widely popular among chess players. For those who have not seen it can view it here):
 
YouTube Video - Infinite Chess
 
Two graphics of the huygens are shown here. The first was designed by Fergus Duniho. Other details are below.
 
Name: Huygens
History: Named after Christiaan Huygens, a prominent Dutch mathematician and astonomer. Chess piece invented by vickalan, and was first used in mid-2016.
Movement: The huygens jumps prime numbers of squares in orthogonal directions (so jumps 2, 3, 5, 7, 11,...squares). It is sometimes played with a different minimum jump distance, so that it is not a close-attacking piece.
Note: One graphic of the huygens was designed by Fergus Duniho, and was originally specified as a king-bishop (from the Abstract Piece Set). It is also used as the huygens, such as in Trappist-1.
Thank you for considering this piece for CVP's Piececlopedia.

V. Reinhart wrote on Fri, Apr 7, 2017 06:07 PM UTC:
Is the Piececlopedia database considered accurate? I did a search to see how often new pieces are added, or pages updated. For the last five years this is what I got:
 
New pieces:   0
Edited pages: 3
 
Is this right?

Ben Reiniger wrote on Fri, Apr 7, 2017 06:58 PM UTC:

The Piececlopedia is for well-established pieces, usually appearing in more than one person's games/problems.  We have separate Piece Articles for newer, more experimental, more niche pieces, but this means the Piececlopedia is not often updated.


V. Reinhart wrote on Fri, Apr 7, 2017 07:50 PM UTC:
Thanks Ben, I appreciate the information. Can I submit the information (original post) to be added as an Article "The Huygens"? I checked the articles for other chess pieces, and there's 19 total, not including the "atoms". The newest article was written 19 years ago. About ten of the pieces have interesting but generic names, such as:
Furlrurlbakking
Forfnibakking
Fibnif
mAW
fFbW
Fibnif plus Rook
B4nD
N2R4
Forfnifurlrurking
I think the Huygens will add fresh new variety to the collection of CVP's articles. It will be one of the few pieces that is known by its formal name rather than a generic name. It will also be the first piece at CVP designed specifically to be played on on infinite chessboard (which is beginning to draw attention, even from non-chess players).
 
Infinite Chess on YouTube
 
Please let me know if the Huygens can be added to CVP's chess piece articles soon. If there's any other information you need about it please let me know.
Regards,

Ben Reiniger wrote on Fri, Apr 7, 2017 08:39 PM UTC:

First, my comment was generic, meant only as a response to your most recent comment; it would be up to Fergus (in charge of the Piececlopedia) to decide whether the Huygens merits inclusion there.

If not: you can submit your description as a Game, and before publishing I (or another editor) will change the page type to Piece.  Presumably you will just use the Introduction, Pieces, and Notes sections of the form.

[Actually, we could also change the type to Piececlopedia if Fergus would decide it acceptable.  But it looks like all but one Piececlopedia pages are hard html; Querquisite is the only one I noticed that was a database/MS page.]

There are 85 Piece articles and 144 in the Piececlopedia (counting repeats).  Most of the Piece articles discuss more than one piece; many analyze pieces rather than introducing new ones.  In searching for this information, I found something:

Fergus, the Link texts are misbehaving again (including the Primary-only search).  Is this connected to your "game-centered" move?


V. Reinhart wrote on Fri, Apr 7, 2017 09:35 PM UTC:
Oh, thanks Ben. I see the main heading for piece articles now. I also found this which appears to be a separate "archive" of some pieces (not sure):
http://www.chessvariants.com/d.betza/chessvar/pieces/index.html
Fergus, let me know what I should so next. The front page of CVP has a link "How you can help - Submitting content" I'm trying to follow the instructions the best I can. I hope the Huygens can be cataloged soon. One of the images originated from your work, and maybe soon it will be in a YouTube video about Infinte Chess with the Huygens"!
 
Name: Huygens
History: Named after Christiaan Huygens, a prominent Dutch mathematician and astonomer. Chess piece invented by vickalan, and was first used in mid-2016.
Movement: The huygens jumps prime numbers of squares in orthogonal directions (so jumps 2, 3, 5, 7, 11,...squares). It is sometimes played with a different minimum jump distance, so that it is not a close-attacking piece.
Note: One graphic of the huygens was designed by Fergus Duniho, and was originally specified as a king-bishop (from the Abstract Piece Set). It is also used as the huygens, such as in Trappist-1.
Thank you for considering this piece for CVP's Piececlopedia.
Best regards,

V. Reinhart wrote on Thu, Apr 13, 2017 04:26 PM UTC:

Fergus, Ben, Greg, what's the normal amount of time for CVP to decide if material (such as below, which I also submited at "Post your own Games") can be added to the Piececlopedia or as a side-article?

I know you guys are working on the CKEditor. But the material I posted is pre-formatted, displays correctly, and is ready to go.

The only question is if Fergus is OK with the huygens having his "pyramid" artwork to be used as a piece shape. (If not, then the scientific design can be the primary piece shape).

The article I wrote is complete, but I would also be completelly fine with anyone adding to it, and then it being posted with two authors.

It's time for CVP to have a new piece added to Piececlopedia. It's been awhile since the last one!


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Apr 14, 2017 02:08 AM UTC:

Are people not getting my emails? I already told you by email that for now it suffices to have this piece described on the page for the game it appears in. Someone else unhid this page, but I hid it back.


V. Reinhart wrote on Fri, Apr 14, 2017 04:30 AM UTC:

Hi Fergus, I'm sorry - I did recieve your e-mail this morning but didn't realize you had sent it. To answer your questions about infinite chess, there are currently a few games in progress and some of them are on public game forums. (One game is a team competition between two groups, with one move being declared about every two days). Infinite chess is also being discussed on math forums, because of how it affects the ability of chess to be analyzed by game theory, and chess-playing software.

I did delete your graphic from my submission, because I will of course respect your artwork if you don't want it used for the huygens.

I also added a mention of Hans Bodlaender, and a link to a page where he discussed infinite chess in 2001. (As you know Hans was very innovative, and it's good to see the current team of editors for CVP continue to carry on his tradition).

I understand that the Piececlopedia is for pieces with a long tradition, so I understand you may not want it included there. But I hope you will make the article about the huygens visible to the public, so that these pages continue to be useful to people who might want to learn more about Infinite Chess, and the pieces that are used with it.

As always, I really appreciate your support.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Apr 14, 2017 01:28 PM UTC:

To answer your questions about infinite chess, there are currently a few games in progress and some of them are on public game forums. (One game is a team competition between two groups, with one move being declared about every two days). Infinite chess is also being discussed on math forums, because of how it affects the ability of chess to be analyzed by game theory, and chess-playing software.

But is it your variant of Infinite Chess that they are playing or just an infinite version of regular Chess, as was described in the PBS video that was not about your Chess variant? That's relevant to whether the Huygens piece has any history of usage.


V. Reinhart wrote on Fri, Apr 14, 2017 04:28 PM UTC:

At one chess-playing forum, there are at least two games of my version "Chess on an Infinite Plane" being played. One of them is a team competition (3 players vs. 3 players). Another game in-progress is called "Chess on an Infinite Plane with Huygens Option" which is the same as Trappist-1 (a game described here at CVP).

Also, the huygens has received attention among the math community. An example is at the StackExchange Talk Forum, and also at the Talk Page of Joel Hamkins "A position in infinite chess with game value ω^4".


Please let me know if you'd like me to show any specific links.

Thanks as always Fergus,


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Apr 14, 2017 05:17 PM UTC:

Yes, please include links.


V. Reinhart wrote on Wed, Apr 26, 2017 12:38 PM UTC:

Hi Fergus, have you had time to review and release this yet? I'm starting a new article for CVP now but would like to get this piece article released before submitting my next article.  My next article will be a short article about variant chess pieces in general. I hope to have it done in 2 or 3 days. 


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