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Hey, Gary - I meant it would be the first IAGO World Tour ChessVariants
Athlon Event. That means the winner would get name and maybe even picture
on Boardgamegeek, for example! How can a mere cash prize compare with
that?

And I know what you mean about being booked-up recently. I'm still
playing 2 T#3 games, both tough, for somewhere between 3rd and 5th or 7th
places. Us also-rans are still running. [Congrats on the win, it's quite
spectacular - what, 23 or 24 games in 2 tournaments with at least 20 wins
and no losses! Heck, probably better than that.] And I'm still trying to
finish the 45-46 contest - hope to get that done within a month or so. Eh,
I guess we can let you slide for this one ;-) 

Anyway, I really like the idea of a potluck, and things like Invent&Play,
so I'm doing all I can to encourage them. And I think I can squeeze in a
few more games. [Right! I should know better, but I never seem to.] Enjoy.
Joe

Joe, of course you are right.  Let me know if you need help building your
pedestal.  :)

Ok now here.  There will ONLY be a photo if someone takes a snapshot of the
winner.  As far as prizes go, you guys need to get me something a film
studio would want to film.  I need wacky nicknames (or at least something
with a pasty name twice :-)).  We have a Double Donut.  Anyone else want
to be DanishDanish (please, I hope no offense here.  I already ticked off
several chess grandmasters)? 

I also need some sort of page to point this two.  I will get something up
on BoardGameGeek also, once we are set, but please get me a page now with
the info for it.  If it is this thread, let me know.  I would personally
rather have a page with just the event info, and no information on how
many are participating.  Every event on the Tour schedule should look
alike in this regard.

Just my 2 cents...

Pot Luck 2008 field set!

Based on current 365 day ratings of all public games, the seeds are as
follows:

1.	Charles Daniel  (Chucky D!)
2.	Joe Joyce       (MJ the 3rd!)
3.	Carlos Carlos    ( C squared  )
4.	Graeme Neatham  ( Grayhawke )         
5.	George Duke      ( Duke )
6.	Jejujeju            (the Jej)
7.	Donut Donut       ( D-nut )
8.	Juan Rodriguez     ( J-Rod )

(nicknames may be edited, no offense intended)

Pool A will be the 1, 3, 5 and 7 seeds:  Charles, Carlos, George and
Donut
Pool B will be the 2, 4, 6 and 8 seeds: Joe, Graeme, Jeju and Juan

Games must be named by April 14th.  Games named prior to April 14th MAY be
changed prior to April 14th.

April 14th to April 21st will be the veto period.

Any game receiving 4 vetoes will be bounced and the person who brought the
vetoed game will have 48 hours to replace it.  From the time the
replacement has been named, there will be another 1 week veto period on
the replacement game.

Once all games are approved, the game schedule (within each pool) will be
randomly assigned.

Joe¡¦any chance you can set up a wikipage if I do the text and send it to
you?  Or you could do it if you like?  Or Carlos, are you able to do that?

No problem. Believe me, it's quite easy to set up a wiki page. Making it
look decent is another thing. There are those very good at making pages
look nice, and everyone can have access to the pages. Send me whatever you
wish, and I'll get it on a wiki page. [With an edit here and/or there.]
We'll set up parent and child pages, so there can be a separate
announcement page, for example. Who's on or has access to the wiki now?

Please give a bit of thought to what you want for user names or nicknames. 
In event we ever get anything on TV, they will be having these nicknames in
with your name, like 'Devilfish', 'Jesus', and 'The Poker Brat'.  Of
course, not everyone needs them, but think how you want yourself to come
off.  I will say the nicknames are not mandatory, but could be useful.

I seem to be in both pools?

You're multi-talented.

Ooops!  Problem fixed, the Grayhawke is seeded 4th and in pool B.

wormhole chess
hole chess
falcon chess

Here's the initial setup:
http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/cv-potluck-2008
Graeme, how do I tell what the real name of the Welcome Page is, so I can
make this page a child page of Welcome?

Joe, I've hooked it into the Welcome page (page name start).

The quickest way to find the name of a page is to go to that page and then look in you browser's address bar - the text after the final '/' is the page's name.

Joe and Graeme, the page and link look great.  I've applied to join the
wiki group and if accepted (fingers crossed!) I'll update the page as we
go.  Thanks.

Jejujeju games:

Wuss II
Racing Kings
Eight Stone

Thanks, Graeme - I saw 'start', but couldn't believe it was the 'real
name' of the Welcome page.

We're getting an interesting mix of games listed. Now, it's not veto
time yet, so should I put up another page for negotiations ['what the
heck is *that* game??? I'll tell ya what, I'll drop this game and vote
against that game there if you drop this game and that game...'], or can
we just add them to the wiki page? ;-) Seriously, we are getting a broad
range of games proposed. There are some very nice choices there, guys.
Ought to be interesting.

My games:

• TriMac HexChess
• Modern Courier Chess
• Save the Standard 13x13

My games are

1.Roller Ball
2.Hammer Chess
3.Korean Chess

That's everyone named their initial set of games - the full list is here

Couple of points.

George may or may not choose a third game.  If he doesn't, he has to
decide which of the two he named he wants to play twice.

Also, does TriMac HexChess have a preset?  If so, where can I find it?  If
not, how can we play it?

An as yet unpublished preset for TriMac HexChess is available here

Altair standard, Rococo standard, Jacks & Witches.

Joe, saw your comment on the Pot Lock page on the wiki page.  Was going to
respond...but I haven't been accepted as a member.

I think a vigorous discussion over there might be limited as Carlos, Juan
and the Donut are not members (yet) either.  Doesn't look like George and Charles are members, either.

I'll encourage the others to join, but depending on how long it
takes for acceptance, any discussion of vetos and the like might be better
served here.

Changed my games

Replacing TriMac HexChess

with

Circular Chess with Crooked Bishops and Queen

I would encourage people to join the wiki. And, without looking, jeju, I
suspect you are listed as a member... yep - 2 hours ago. Shucks! Now I
can't go change your games without you being able to do anything about it
;-)

Okay, everyone's in and we've had 1 change. Is everybody comfortable
with the make-up of the games? This has turned into a nice little amalgam
of a CV Tournament with Invent and Play. I like this format. It gives
people a chance to play games they really want to play, whatever their
[the games'] provenance. But I'm sitting here chuckling audibly because
I often hold a minority position on these things; so how do the rest of
you feel? Have we got a good tourney shaping up with the games we've got
listed?

George, Carlos, Charles, Juan and Donut.

To get access to the wiki, follow this:

http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/cv-potluck-2008

From there, create account (top right).  Once you have an account, go back
to the page listed above and follow links on the left for becoming a
member.

My membership was approved in a couple of days.

I've just posted links to the game rules here:
 http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/potluck-game-rules
Please check your games to see that everything is correct.
Thanks, Joe

The event page:
http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/cv-potluck-2008

Is now up on the IAGO World Tour schedule:
http://www.iagoworldtour.com/

I will also get the games into the officially registered with IAGO list.

All games have been named.  Roughly 48 hours left to change the games
nominated.  Time for a review of how the tournament will proceed.

During the 7 day veto period any player may veto any game for any reason
whatsoever.  If you feel it is a bad game, if you don't like the game, or
even if you love the game, have played it a lot and just don't feel like
playing it now.  Using a veto is simply a manner of expressing a
preference.  If you prefer not to play a game, feel free to veto it.  

If a game you named, or even invented, is vetoed, please don't take it as
an insult.  In fact, it may have been vetoed because others are afraid to
play you in that game...which is a compliment in a way.

Reminder...Each player will play each game that they nominated ONE time.

They will play it against ONE other player in their pool.  Which player
they play it against will be determined randomly after the veto period.

They manner of randomly setting the matches will be described in a future
post, and will involve the results of the following cricket match:

Only Twenty20 International Bangladesh v Pakistan at Karachi - Apr 20,
2008 (18:00 local, 13:00 GMT)

Aren't we about to start the 1 week veto process? What happens now? Are we
all being gentlemen?

Let the veto period begin!

I cast one veto for each of the following:

Atlantean Barroom Shatranj

Rococo

Falcon Chess

I will have no problem veto a  game, but I need to read up on the rules
first - I am not too familiar with a lot of the games here .
I dont see anything I immediately dislike as of now. .

Ok, here's comes a veto or three.  First though, I didn't see a preset
for modern courier chess.  Does it have one?  Did i just miss it?

I'd agree to veto these:

Wormhole Chess
Titan Chess
Saving the Standard 13x13

Good luck all!

Juan, here's the preset and rules for Modern Courier Chess - I'll adjust
the wiki pointer.
Question: Do we want the version with the modern queen or the mann?

/play/pbm/play.php?game%3DModern+Courier+Chess%26settings%3Ddefault

I veto 

Saving the Standard 13x13

Bachelor Chess

Randomly assigning games:

Each group has 4 players:

Player A    Player B    Player C   Player D  
A is the highest seed, D the lowest.

Player A has match 1 vs player B, match 2 vs player C, match 3 vs player
D
Player B has match 1 vs player C, match 2 vs player D, match 3 vs player
A
Player C has match 1 vs player D, match 2 vs player A, match 3 vs player
B
Player D has match 1 vs player A, match 2 vs player B, match 3 vs player
C

Each player brought 3 games...based on their alphabetical order, game
alpha1, alpha2 and alpha3.

In random scenario 1, alpha1 is match 1, alpha2 is match 2, alpha3 is
match 3

In random scenario 2, alpha 2 is match 1, alpha3 is match 2, alpha1 is
match 3.

In random scenario 3, alpha3 is match 1, alpha1 is match 2, alpha2 is
match 3.

All games will start at the same time and have generous time allotments. 
They will start as soon as Carlosly possible from or after April 21st (if
no games are vetoed by 4 players).

Which random scenario is used will be based on the following cricket
match:

Only Twenty20 International Bangladesh v Pakistan at Karachi - Apr 20,
2008 (18:00 local, 13:00 GMT)

If the total number of runs scored (combined Bangladesh and Pakistan)
results in the numbers 1, 2 or 3 in the ones column, we go scenario 1.

If the number in the ones column is 4, 5 or 6, we go scenario 2.

If it's 7, 8 or 9, scenario 3.

If it is zero, we look at the number in the tens column.

If that too is zero, we look at the number in the hundreds column.

If that too is zero, than the match was called off and we look at the
total number of points scored in the last NBA game to finish on Sunday the
20th.

Cricket results can be found at cricinfo.com

Any questions??

about the rules of wormhole chess: the trapped pawns on d3 and d8 are
allowed a single diagonal move to begin.  i don't think this is written
in the rules.

seeing as we are allowed to veto for any reason at all, i'll go for...

circular chess with crooked bishops and queen 
eight stone 
hammer chess 
hostage chess
racing kings
rococo
save the standard 13x13
titan chess

I encourage all participants and FANS of CV Potluck 2008 to register at:

http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/

This'll get you access to the ins and outs!

I veto

rococo

jacks&witches

The veto period seems to have passed with a few smatterings, a flurry and
in the end all games hold on and retain membership.

The results of the cricket were 304 total runs scored, which converts to
214 duodecimals.

As a result, we are going with scenario 3.   In random scenario 3, alpha2
is match 1, alpha3 is match 2, alpha1 is match 3.



Charles  Birds (vs Donut), Stealth (vs Carlos), Titans (vs George)
Carlos  Falcon (vs Charles), Hole (vs George), Wormhole (vs. Donut)
George  Altair (vs Carlos), JacksWitches (vs Donut), Rococo(vs Charles)
Donut  Hammer (vs George), Korean (vs Charles), Rollerball (vs Carlos)


Joe     Atlantean (vs Juan), Grand (vs Graeme), Lemurian (vs Jeju)
Graeme  Circular (vs Joe), Modern Courier(vs Jeju), Save the Standard (vs
Juan)
Jeju     Eight Stone (vs Graeme), Racing (vs Juan), Wuss II (vs Joe)
Juan     Bachelor (vs Jeju), Hostage (vs Joe), Switching (vs Graeme)

Early analysis of the matchups finds a few interesting tidbits.  

Only Juan and Donut end up playing a game they cast a veto against.  Donut
on Jacks & Witches, Juan on Save the Standard 13x13.

Joe, on the other hand, cast no vetoes but did allude to a few games he
was not keen to play¡¦and drew one of them, Wuss II.

Juan and Jeju are drawn in a rematch of a game completed with a Jeju
resignation 320 days ago.

If anyone has the talent and time to make the schedule into a chart of
some sort, that¡¯d be appreciated.

Carlos has offered to assign the games and get them started.  Once he does
that, game on.  If you find any time goofs in the game settings, report
them to Carlos and he should be able to restart the game.

Unless there¡¯s a strong outcry against, I¡¯d say¡¦

(copied and pasted from 3rd courier tournament page, written by Fergus)

Time Controls
Game Courier has very versatile and sophisticated time controls, and these
will be used to time all games in the tournament. Details on how time
controls work can be found in the User's Guide. The same time controls
will be used for each game. Here's what I propose to use:
Pace:	4 moves per week
Spare Time:	14 days
Grace Time:	24 hours
Extra Time:	8 hours
Bonus Time:	6 hours for moving within 24 hours
Tie-Breaking
If two players attain the same score, ties will be broken by the following
methods in a topdown order:
¡¤	Buchholz / Solkoff method (Compares scores of all opponents defeated by
tied players.) 
¡¤	Sonneborn-Berger (Compares scores of all opponents defeated or tied
with tied players.) 
¡¤	Number of Wins (Wins count as 1, ties as nothing.) 
¡¤	Most Blacks (Whoever has won more games as the second player wins the
tie.)

Round 1 match chart available here

Can someone please post the complete and final list of games so I can
update the IAGO site with the right games?  Also, please let me know which
chess variant is being played.  Would I be right to presume that Stealth
refers to Stealth Chess (the Stratego-like) chess game or something else
(for example)?

Carlos has indicated that all games will be assigned and started no later
than the end of the coming weekend.

most games are up.  

charles, which preset do you want to use: 
Charles Birds (vs Donut)


you can check on the games by entering PL1 in the games field.  counting
them, the joe-juan game of atlantean doesn't show up tho, not sure why.

for some reason something is wrong with the games involving graeme.  maybe
i used the wrong username.  graeme, if you can't access those games let me
know.  however, i don't have the power to delete/alter games so i guess i
will just reassign them.

Birds and Ninjas

The game is Birds and Ninjas. the ninja guards are normal - they DO NOT HAVE leaping camel move. All std rules EXCEPT one option: each side can drop 4 ninja pawns as per drop rule spec.

Thanks to the efforts of Carlos Carlos the tournament has started.

Good luck to all.

Carlos, I can view the games but cannot play them. The userid seems to be grayhawke2 - it should be just grayhawke, without the 2.

Cheers
G.

i wondered about that.  i entered grayhawke without the 2, but i noticed
that the game logs all say grayhawke2.  i'm not sure why that happened,
or what to do.  maybe you could create a new username if it's no big
deal?

Carlos, I don't mind creating a new userid, but am not sure how that helps. Can't the games be reassigned to grayhawke?

graeme,

i did enter grayhawke... every time. i don't know why it changed it to
grayhawke2.

Carlos,

I've created a new ID graemecn and used it to post this message. Can you assign my tournament games to this new ID?

Cheers
Graeme

done!

joe, jeju, juan - please move in the new games.

i think all the first round games are up now, let me know if anything is
missing/wrong.

What is the URL for them being up?

Rich,
do you mean this match chart?
The game-names are linked to the rules and I'll be linking the game-results to the Courier Matches today

Carlos,
Thanks for re-assigning my games, all appears to be working now.

Carlos, Tournament Filter: [PL*] yields 23 games on the 
Game Courier Game Logs page - no Atlantean Barroom Shatranj.

yeah, i think i must have forgotten to enter the tournament field for that
one...

Hi - just got online and saw this comment - no time limits in that game of
Atlantean Barroom either, though we are playing it...

Hey, Carlos - you should delete the 2 dead games of Graeme's and mine;
they're about to expire on time on his move. Juan and I have made twice
as many moves in our untimed game as our timed one, so there shouldn't be
any problems with it not being timed.

Pot Luck 2008 round one is in the books...will try to get a schedule for
round 2 up soon.

Standings after round 1:

Charles      6  – 0             6 pts
Graeme       5 – 0 – 1          5.5 pts
Joe Joyce    4 – 1 -1           4.5 pts
Carlos       3 – 3 - 0          3 pts

George 2 wins – 4 losses     2 pts
Jeju    1 – 5 – 0            1 pt
Juan    1 – 5 – 0            1 pt
Donut   1 - 5 - 0            1 pt

New groupings:

Winners’ Pot

Charles
Graeme
Joe
Carlos

Consolation (Losers’) Pot:

George      2 pts
Jeju        1 pt
Juan        1 pt
Donut       1 pt

A belated thanks for the update to everyone.

Any idea when this event will finish?  I have a feeling it is going to run
into the 2009 IAGO World Tour schedule.  I would want to get the CV site to
be on the Tour again, but events do need to wrap up before the following
year starts.

Based on rankings current as of the start of the tournament, each group
looks like this:

Top group, playing for the PotLuck2008 Title!

Charles   Birds (vs Graeme) Stealth (vs Joe ),	Titans (vs Carlos)
Joe     Atlantean (vs Charles), Grand (vs Carlos), Lemurian (vs Graeme)
Carlos  Falcon (vs Joe), Hole (vs Graeme), Wormhole (vs. Charles)
Graeme  Circular(vsCarlos),Modern Courier(vsCharles),Save/Standard        
       (vsJoe)

Second Tier, playing for pride and a can of corn*.

George   Altair (vs Juan ),JacksWitches (vs Jeju),Rococo(vsDonut)
Jeju    Eight Stone (vs George ),Racing (vs  Donut), Wuss II (vs  Juan)
Donut 	Hammer (vs Jeju), Korean (vs Juan), Rollerball (vs George)
Juan   Bachelor (vs  Donut), Hostage (vs  George),Switching (vs  Jeju)

*In order to receive the prize, one must appear in person at a designated
location, which shall be so designated at the completion of this
tournament.  

If anyone has the talent and time to make this part of the schedule (round
two, not the can of corn collection part) into a chart of some sort, as
Graeme so ably did last time, that would be appreciated.

Carlos will offer to assign the games and get them started when he has
time.  Once he does that, game on.  If you find any time goofs in the game
settings, report them to Carlos and he should be able to restart the game.

(copied and pasted from 3rd courier tournament page, written by Fergus)

Time Controls
Game Courier has very versatile and sophisticated time controls, and
these
will be used to time all games in the tournament. Details on how time
controls work can be found in the User's Guide. The same time controls
will be used for each game. Here's what I propose to use:
Pace:	4 moves per week
Spare Time:	14 days
Grace Time:	24 hours
Extra Time:	8 hours
Bonus Time:	6 hours for moving within 24 hours
Tie-Breaking
If two players attain the same score, ties will be broken by the
following
methods in a topdown order:
Buchholz / Solkoff method (Compares scores of all opponents defeated by
tied players.) 
Sonneborn-Berger (Compares scores of all opponents defeated or tied
with tied players.) 
Number of Wins (Wins count as 1, ties as nothing.) 
Most Blacks (Whoever has won more games as the second player wins the
tie.) 

Good luck to all!  Any problems found in any of the above, let me know.

Note to Rich:  Based on how long round one took...can't imagine there's
any way we'll have this wrapped up in calendar year 2008...at least not
the top tier.

Round 1 final table
Round 2 initial table

/play/pbm/play.php?game%3DAsylum+Chess%26settings%3DAsylum+2

I am sure my opponents won't mind because this game is much shorter and easier to play.

No objection from me, Charles.

I will try and get onto assigning these games over the weekend.

No problem with substitutions...if anyone wants to, leave a comment before
Carlos sets up games and the switch can be made.
Graeme, thanks for making the chart.

Okay, we seem to be back. 

Fergus, could you give carlos carlos some time back in these tourney
games?

Grand Shatranj	carlos-joejoyce-2008-303-724 	30' 20' ago	Joe Joyce has
won.	N/A	Delete
Falcon Chess	joejoyce-carlos-2008-303-721 	30' 21' ago	Joe Joyce has
won.	N/A	Delete

He should get at least 50 hours back in each game, if possible. Heh, I
admit to hoping he'd run out of time, because he was down to 2 days in
Grand Shatranj, and not a lot more in Falcon, but having the entire site
down for 4 days was not what I had in mind...

Joe

I just took five days off the time used for any move held up by the period
of downtime this weekend. Let me know if any logs need to be fixed due to
declaring a winner before I adjusted the time controls.

Fergus, please fix these 2 games that have timed out:

Grand Shatranj	carlos-joejoyce-2008-303-724 

Falcon Chess	joejoyce-carlos-2008-303-721 

Thanks, Joe

I reverted them to the backup files, but I was unable to change the
permissions on the files. They may need to enter their passwords into the
logs page to see the games listed.

2008 Pot Luck tournament has come to an end!!!!

While round two saw more time-outs/resignations than actually completed
games, all participants can be proud of their results!!

Starting with Group B, the 'losers bracket', we have a tie at the top:

1. Jejuejejeu - 4-1-1
1. Donutdonut - 4-1-1
3. JuanRodriguez - 3-3-0
4. George Duke - 0-6-0 

And in Group A, our 'champions group', we have an undefeated champion:

1. Joe Joyce 6-0-0
2. CarlosCarlso 3-3-0
3. Charles Daniel 3-3-0
4. Graeme Grayhawke - resigned

Congratulations to Joe on being the Champ!!!

Joe Joyce

Grand Champion of Pot Luck #1 2008!!!!!!

Well done and good luck in future tournaments!!!

Thank you; I just managed to outlast my opponents. There were some very
interesting games in the tournament. I appreciated the chance to play most
of the games :-) It's a shame that some were unable to complete the
tournament for various reasons. I suspect others could have done better
than I. May the next potluck have such a range of games and equally good
opponents, that don't run into difficulties off the chessboard. Again,
thank you for running the tourney, je ju, I [mostly] enjoyed it [except
for when Graeme severely thumped me at the end of the first round... ;-) ]
I'll look forward to the next one in some months.