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ok, i'll play if enough people sign up.  a couple of things - several
important GC3 games are still in progress and could go on for a while. 
that could affect registration...  i also think the 48-hour window for
vetoes is too short - a week might be better.

Good point, Carlos...

If you are still involved in any GC3 tourney games and would like to play
in the PotLuck2008 Tourney, but feel getting involved in the early stages
of the organization of a new tourney while closing out the late stages of
an ending tourney is too much....please let us know and perhaps we can
slow things up/down......my thoughts are that the PotLuck2008 won't
actually kickoff until early/mid May, and if by then the GC3 isn't
finished, I reckon (!) the still active participants can handle a new game
or two if they so choose...


Regarding Carlos' comment on veto time, I agree...a week it is!!

Sounds interesting. Started thinking what games I might bring - Superchief
leapt to mind, but even I would likely veto that one! Of my games, I'd
probably bring Grand Shatranj, maybe Great Shatranj, but that's pretty
much it. Pocket Mutation by Mike Nelson is one of my favorite designs, so
that might well be my 3rd choice. But this is speculation now, and I may
have other choices later; what games are others considering?

We think two games in ''real time'' would be more exciting [with or without kibitzing] than any one
whole tournament over months or year. For example, Gifford v. Fourriere
at CDA Colourbound Clobberers, Nutty Knights, Friday 12:00; or Paulowich
v. Joyce at Unicorn Chess Sat. 10:00 -- to be concluded the same day.
Fergus Duniho once scotched the idea because of different time zones. 
Brainking site has same defect of games being continually adjourned, 
in effect, by having weeks really to play,  and so whoever devotes
off-time to study positions can upgrade play. Some players actually do
worse when having to re-think half-forgotten position after a week, instead of concentrating as deeply as possible on one score to finish in one (or two) day.  Jeremy Good used to be able to play move every 30 seconds in multiple games, yet stayed low in  Rating. In OrthoChess, except correspondence, adjournment is thing of the past. Someone else can research or inform on this better, or have knowledge about Chess sites playing with time controls, but concluding right away the same day. Stories like Bobby Fischer's figuring out some great move overnight for game adjourned (for one day only) do not occur today, do they?

Anyone up for promoting this to be part of the IAGO World Tour?  I could
get it on the 2008 IAGO World Tour calendar: www.IAGOWorldTour.com, and
please have some indication it is part of the Tour on a page for the
PotLuck event.  We can name it after a sponsor or the Chess Variants site
itself, to get it a bit of publicity.

Can we be assured that there will be at least two people entered into it,
excluding the organizer or whomever is running it  Also, will this wrap up before November?  If so, I would be interested in having it.  It may go full year long though.

There is one more game that I'm working on, having done more playtesting on this than any other, called Titan Chess with a 12x12 board - should have it posted by next week. That would probably be my 3rd game.

I would recommend Toulousain Chess as well but my 3 choices are up .

I`m in

Rich, regarding the iago world tour...sounds cool.

Won't be able to speculate on when the Pot Luck may end until we know the
number of entrants.

Currently we have committments by:

jejujeju
carloscarlos
Joe Joyce
Charles Daniel
Donut Donut

Jeju is organizer, carlos is running tech side of things.
Donut is my son, getting involved in variants for the first time.
Joe and Charles are 'at least two people entered into it,
excluding the organizer or whomever is running it', so I guess the
tourney is eligible for iago world tour if we think it'll be done by
November.

7 more days to add participants!

Ok, you can finalize the details, and get this nailed down.  Then decide
whether or not it will be on.  We can actually add it to the IAGO World
Tour after it starts, it will just be late getting on.  If it feels like
it is done before November, that is good.  Having it go into 2009 would be
an issue though :-).

Anyhow, I will let you finish up the details.  All that is needed is that
the event produces a winner, then I would need to know the number of
players total (don't need report that anywhere else except in the Tour
grand total), and also who won (their name) and their City and Country
(possibly also State if in USA).  Having a nickname is also cool, and can
be added.  Like saying 'Donut Donut' is the winner, but need the name
:-).  I would say nicknames are even encouraged for marketing purposes.  A
user name can serve as a nickname here.

please throw my name in the ring too

Currently registered:

jejujeju
carlos carlos
donut donut
Joe Joyce
Charles Daniel
juan rodriguez

Hoping to get 8, 10, 12 or more

George Duke wrote:  'We think two games in ''real time'' would be
more exciting [with or without
kibitzing] than any one
whole tournament over months or year.'

Agree with the statement, but know that I would not be able to commit the
blocks of time needed for such an undertaking with any regularity.

George, are you interested in joining the Pot Luck?  We'd love to have
you join us.

As well as all others...c'mon folks, step right up and join!

Okay, Jeju, I will bring Rococo and Altair and if a third required, t.b.d.

Excellent, George.

Currently registered:

jejujeju
carlos carlos
donut donut
Joe Joyce
Charles Daniel
juan rodriguez
George Duke

Hoping to get 8, 10, 12 or more...

Five more days to register

je ju, when you happened to finalize this, please make sure we have a web
page people can land on to learn about the tournament, and have it link
back to the IAGO World Tour site.

Reminder that Pot Luck 2008 registration will close at midnight GMT, April
7th.

Currently have 7 players.  Really hoping to add one, 3 or 5 more.

Sounds like fun!

Reminder that Pot Luck 2008 registration will close at midnight GMT, April
7th.

Currently have 7 players.  Really hoping to add one, 3 or 5 more.

Sounds like fun!

Consider emailing all chessvariant members with an invitation to join the
tournament.  They may be many who have registered emails with this site
but are quite inactive.

And -- is anyone going to bring orthodox (FIDE) chess into this
tournament?!

re: emailing all cvp members

I do have a list, and would be willing to send out an email (probably
emails, since I'd have to break it up into sections). I try not to send
emails out very often, but am willing to do so in this case. Just let me
know what you'd like to be in the email. Thanks!

Jeju, 

If you'll allow them, I'd like to bring these games to the table:

Bachelor Chess
Switching Chess
Hostage Chess

Thanks and good luck!

Pot Luck 2008!  Registration Deadline has passed, 7 entrants.
We are now at the stage where participants name the game or games they
would like to play in the tournament.

You may bring one, two or three games.

Each game must be named by April 14th.

From April 14th to April 21st there will be a veto period.  Four veto
votes will disqualify a game.  The person who suggested that game will
have an opportunity to name a replacement.

Please don't veto until the veto period begins.

To name your games, simply add a message to this thread with the game(s)
you want to play.

There is still room for one more, so if an eighth player wants to join,
first to claim space is in.

juan rodriguez chooses :

Bachelor Chess
Switching Chess
Hostage Chess

OK count me in

Please let me know what the final page will be that I can point the Tour
calendar to regarding it?

Now we are 8. :-) Great!
The first game I'd like to bring is the original Grand Shatranj. After
that, I'm having a hard time deciding, and am getting darned greedy. And
Atlantean Barroom Shatranj should be a quicker game than Great Shatranj. 

Was going to stop right there, but Lemurian Shatranj would also be faster
than Great Shatranj, and now I've already mentioned 4 games. So I'd drop
Great Shatranj [and mention Joshua Morris' Kozune]... help!

I'm guessing we might change our picks before the veto period begins, and
maybe we could put this on a wiki page. [Especially if it's to be an IAGO
World Tour event, it should/*has to* have its very own page. I believe
this event would be considered a Chessvariants Email Athlon Event - the
first ever.] Anyway, my choices [for now, anyhow] are:
 Atlantean Barroom Shatranj 
 Grand Shatranj D 
 Lemurian Shatranj

Joe

Would not the CV Tournaments be considered such events? After all, they had lots of players, lots of games, and I think each started in one year and finished in the next. The first two even had cash prizes.

PotLuck seems more like 'Bring games you like and lets have a round robin.' Nothing wrong with that of course. And I applaud the concept and implementation. It is a great idea and I'd loved to have participated but I am currently a bit exhausted from CV3, playing in an ongoing Chess Thematic Tournament, and playing in a final round of a Shogi Tournament.

At any rate, I wish all participants the best in this PotLuck event and I will be watching from the side... with great curiosity as to the outcome.

Hey, Gary - I meant it would be the first IAGO World Tour ChessVariants
Athlon Event. That means the winner would get name and maybe even picture
on Boardgamegeek, for example! How can a mere cash prize compare with
that?

And I know what you mean about being booked-up recently. I'm still
playing 2 T#3 games, both tough, for somewhere between 3rd and 5th or 7th
places. Us also-rans are still running. [Congrats on the win, it's quite
spectacular - what, 23 or 24 games in 2 tournaments with at least 20 wins
and no losses! Heck, probably better than that.] And I'm still trying to
finish the 45-46 contest - hope to get that done within a month or so. Eh,
I guess we can let you slide for this one ;-) 

Anyway, I really like the idea of a potluck, and things like Invent&Play,
so I'm doing all I can to encourage them. And I think I can squeeze in a
few more games. [Right! I should know better, but I never seem to.] Enjoy.
Joe

Joe, of course you are right.  Let me know if you need help building your
pedestal.  :)

Ok now here.  There will ONLY be a photo if someone takes a snapshot of the
winner.  As far as prizes go, you guys need to get me something a film
studio would want to film.  I need wacky nicknames (or at least something
with a pasty name twice :-)).  We have a Double Donut.  Anyone else want
to be DanishDanish (please, I hope no offense here.  I already ticked off
several chess grandmasters)? 

I also need some sort of page to point this two.  I will get something up
on BoardGameGeek also, once we are set, but please get me a page now with
the info for it.  If it is this thread, let me know.  I would personally
rather have a page with just the event info, and no information on how
many are participating.  Every event on the Tour schedule should look
alike in this regard.

Just my 2 cents...

Pot Luck 2008 field set!

Based on current 365 day ratings of all public games, the seeds are as
follows:

1.	Charles Daniel  (Chucky D!)
2.	Joe Joyce       (MJ the 3rd!)
3.	Carlos Carlos    ( C squared  )
4.	Graeme Neatham  ( Grayhawke )         
5.	George Duke      ( Duke )
6.	Jejujeju            (the Jej)
7.	Donut Donut       ( D-nut )
8.	Juan Rodriguez     ( J-Rod )

(nicknames may be edited, no offense intended)

Pool A will be the 1, 3, 5 and 7 seeds:  Charles, Carlos, George and
Donut
Pool B will be the 2, 4, 6 and 8 seeds: Joe, Graeme, Jeju and Juan

Games must be named by April 14th.  Games named prior to April 14th MAY be
changed prior to April 14th.

April 14th to April 21st will be the veto period.

Any game receiving 4 vetoes will be bounced and the person who brought the
vetoed game will have 48 hours to replace it.  From the time the
replacement has been named, there will be another 1 week veto period on
the replacement game.

Once all games are approved, the game schedule (within each pool) will be
randomly assigned.

Joe¡¦any chance you can set up a wikipage if I do the text and send it to
you?  Or you could do it if you like?  Or Carlos, are you able to do that?

No problem. Believe me, it's quite easy to set up a wiki page. Making it
look decent is another thing. There are those very good at making pages
look nice, and everyone can have access to the pages. Send me whatever you
wish, and I'll get it on a wiki page. [With an edit here and/or there.]
We'll set up parent and child pages, so there can be a separate
announcement page, for example. Who's on or has access to the wiki now?

Please give a bit of thought to what you want for user names or nicknames. 
In event we ever get anything on TV, they will be having these nicknames in
with your name, like 'Devilfish', 'Jesus', and 'The Poker Brat'.  Of
course, not everyone needs them, but think how you want yourself to come
off.  I will say the nicknames are not mandatory, but could be useful.

I seem to be in both pools?

You're multi-talented.

Ooops!  Problem fixed, the Grayhawke is seeded 4th and in pool B.

wormhole chess
hole chess
falcon chess

Here's the initial setup:
http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/cv-potluck-2008
Graeme, how do I tell what the real name of the Welcome Page is, so I can
make this page a child page of Welcome?

Joe, I've hooked it into the Welcome page (page name start).

The quickest way to find the name of a page is to go to that page and then look in you browser's address bar - the text after the final '/' is the page's name.

Joe and Graeme, the page and link look great.  I've applied to join the
wiki group and if accepted (fingers crossed!) I'll update the page as we
go.  Thanks.

Jejujeju games:

Wuss II
Racing Kings
Eight Stone

Thanks, Graeme - I saw 'start', but couldn't believe it was the 'real
name' of the Welcome page.

We're getting an interesting mix of games listed. Now, it's not veto
time yet, so should I put up another page for negotiations ['what the
heck is *that* game??? I'll tell ya what, I'll drop this game and vote
against that game there if you drop this game and that game...'], or can
we just add them to the wiki page? ;-) Seriously, we are getting a broad
range of games proposed. There are some very nice choices there, guys.
Ought to be interesting.

My games:

• TriMac HexChess
• Modern Courier Chess
• Save the Standard 13x13

My games are

1.Roller Ball
2.Hammer Chess
3.Korean Chess

That's everyone named their initial set of games - the full list is here

Couple of points.

George may or may not choose a third game.  If he doesn't, he has to
decide which of the two he named he wants to play twice.

Also, does TriMac HexChess have a preset?  If so, where can I find it?  If
not, how can we play it?

An as yet unpublished preset for TriMac HexChess is available here

Altair standard, Rococo standard, Jacks & Witches.

Joe, saw your comment on the Pot Lock page on the wiki page.  Was going to
respond...but I haven't been accepted as a member.

I think a vigorous discussion over there might be limited as Carlos, Juan
and the Donut are not members (yet) either.  Doesn't look like George and Charles are members, either.

I'll encourage the others to join, but depending on how long it
takes for acceptance, any discussion of vetos and the like might be better
served here.

Changed my games

Replacing TriMac HexChess

with

Circular Chess with Crooked Bishops and Queen

I would encourage people to join the wiki. And, without looking, jeju, I
suspect you are listed as a member... yep - 2 hours ago. Shucks! Now I
can't go change your games without you being able to do anything about it
;-)

Okay, everyone's in and we've had 1 change. Is everybody comfortable
with the make-up of the games? This has turned into a nice little amalgam
of a CV Tournament with Invent and Play. I like this format. It gives
people a chance to play games they really want to play, whatever their
[the games'] provenance. But I'm sitting here chuckling audibly because
I often hold a minority position on these things; so how do the rest of
you feel? Have we got a good tourney shaping up with the games we've got
listed?

George, Carlos, Charles, Juan and Donut.

To get access to the wiki, follow this:

http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/cv-potluck-2008

From there, create account (top right).  Once you have an account, go back
to the page listed above and follow links on the left for becoming a
member.

My membership was approved in a couple of days.

I've just posted links to the game rules here:
 http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/potluck-game-rules
Please check your games to see that everything is correct.
Thanks, Joe

The event page:
http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/cv-potluck-2008

Is now up on the IAGO World Tour schedule:
http://www.iagoworldtour.com/

I will also get the games into the officially registered with IAGO list.

All games have been named.  Roughly 48 hours left to change the games
nominated.  Time for a review of how the tournament will proceed.

During the 7 day veto period any player may veto any game for any reason
whatsoever.  If you feel it is a bad game, if you don't like the game, or
even if you love the game, have played it a lot and just don't feel like
playing it now.  Using a veto is simply a manner of expressing a
preference.  If you prefer not to play a game, feel free to veto it.  

If a game you named, or even invented, is vetoed, please don't take it as
an insult.  In fact, it may have been vetoed because others are afraid to
play you in that game...which is a compliment in a way.

Reminder...Each player will play each game that they nominated ONE time.

They will play it against ONE other player in their pool.  Which player
they play it against will be determined randomly after the veto period.

They manner of randomly setting the matches will be described in a future
post, and will involve the results of the following cricket match:

Only Twenty20 International Bangladesh v Pakistan at Karachi - Apr 20,
2008 (18:00 local, 13:00 GMT)

Aren't we about to start the 1 week veto process? What happens now? Are we
all being gentlemen?

Let the veto period begin!

I cast one veto for each of the following:

Atlantean Barroom Shatranj

Rococo

Falcon Chess

I will have no problem veto a  game, but I need to read up on the rules
first - I am not too familiar with a lot of the games here .
I dont see anything I immediately dislike as of now. .

Ok, here's comes a veto or three.  First though, I didn't see a preset
for modern courier chess.  Does it have one?  Did i just miss it?

I'd agree to veto these:

Wormhole Chess
Titan Chess
Saving the Standard 13x13

Good luck all!

Juan, here's the preset and rules for Modern Courier Chess - I'll adjust
the wiki pointer.
Question: Do we want the version with the modern queen or the mann?

/play/pbm/play.php?game%3DModern+Courier+Chess%26settings%3Ddefault

I veto 

Saving the Standard 13x13

Bachelor Chess

Randomly assigning games:

Each group has 4 players:

Player A    Player B    Player C   Player D  
A is the highest seed, D the lowest.

Player A has match 1 vs player B, match 2 vs player C, match 3 vs player
D
Player B has match 1 vs player C, match 2 vs player D, match 3 vs player
A
Player C has match 1 vs player D, match 2 vs player A, match 3 vs player
B
Player D has match 1 vs player A, match 2 vs player B, match 3 vs player
C

Each player brought 3 games...based on their alphabetical order, game
alpha1, alpha2 and alpha3.

In random scenario 1, alpha1 is match 1, alpha2 is match 2, alpha3 is
match 3

In random scenario 2, alpha 2 is match 1, alpha3 is match 2, alpha1 is
match 3.

In random scenario 3, alpha3 is match 1, alpha1 is match 2, alpha2 is
match 3.

All games will start at the same time and have generous time allotments. 
They will start as soon as Carlosly possible from or after April 21st (if
no games are vetoed by 4 players).

Which random scenario is used will be based on the following cricket
match:

Only Twenty20 International Bangladesh v Pakistan at Karachi - Apr 20,
2008 (18:00 local, 13:00 GMT)

If the total number of runs scored (combined Bangladesh and Pakistan)
results in the numbers 1, 2 or 3 in the ones column, we go scenario 1.

If the number in the ones column is 4, 5 or 6, we go scenario 2.

If it's 7, 8 or 9, scenario 3.

If it is zero, we look at the number in the tens column.

If that too is zero, we look at the number in the hundreds column.

If that too is zero, than the match was called off and we look at the
total number of points scored in the last NBA game to finish on Sunday the
20th.

Cricket results can be found at cricinfo.com

Any questions??

about the rules of wormhole chess: the trapped pawns on d3 and d8 are
allowed a single diagonal move to begin.  i don't think this is written
in the rules.

seeing as we are allowed to veto for any reason at all, i'll go for...

circular chess with crooked bishops and queen 
eight stone 
hammer chess 
hostage chess
racing kings
rococo
save the standard 13x13
titan chess

I encourage all participants and FANS of CV Potluck 2008 to register at:

http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/

This'll get you access to the ins and outs!

I veto

rococo

jacks&witches

The veto period seems to have passed with a few smatterings, a flurry and
in the end all games hold on and retain membership.

The results of the cricket were 304 total runs scored, which converts to
214 duodecimals.

As a result, we are going with scenario 3.   In random scenario 3, alpha2
is match 1, alpha3 is match 2, alpha1 is match 3.



Charles  Birds (vs Donut), Stealth (vs Carlos), Titans (vs George)
Carlos  Falcon (vs Charles), Hole (vs George), Wormhole (vs. Donut)
George  Altair (vs Carlos), JacksWitches (vs Donut), Rococo(vs Charles)
Donut  Hammer (vs George), Korean (vs Charles), Rollerball (vs Carlos)


Joe     Atlantean (vs Juan), Grand (vs Graeme), Lemurian (vs Jeju)
Graeme  Circular (vs Joe), Modern Courier(vs Jeju), Save the Standard (vs
Juan)
Jeju     Eight Stone (vs Graeme), Racing (vs Juan), Wuss II (vs Joe)
Juan     Bachelor (vs Jeju), Hostage (vs Joe), Switching (vs Graeme)

Early analysis of the matchups finds a few interesting tidbits.  

Only Juan and Donut end up playing a game they cast a veto against.  Donut
on Jacks & Witches, Juan on Save the Standard 13x13.

Joe, on the other hand, cast no vetoes but did allude to a few games he
was not keen to play¡¦and drew one of them, Wuss II.

Juan and Jeju are drawn in a rematch of a game completed with a Jeju
resignation 320 days ago.

If anyone has the talent and time to make the schedule into a chart of
some sort, that¡¯d be appreciated.

Carlos has offered to assign the games and get them started.  Once he does
that, game on.  If you find any time goofs in the game settings, report
them to Carlos and he should be able to restart the game.

Unless there¡¯s a strong outcry against, I¡¯d say¡¦

(copied and pasted from 3rd courier tournament page, written by Fergus)

Time Controls
Game Courier has very versatile and sophisticated time controls, and these
will be used to time all games in the tournament. Details on how time
controls work can be found in the User's Guide. The same time controls
will be used for each game. Here's what I propose to use:
Pace:	4 moves per week
Spare Time:	14 days
Grace Time:	24 hours
Extra Time:	8 hours
Bonus Time:	6 hours for moving within 24 hours
Tie-Breaking
If two players attain the same score, ties will be broken by the following
methods in a topdown order:
¡¤	Buchholz / Solkoff method (Compares scores of all opponents defeated by
tied players.) 
¡¤	Sonneborn-Berger (Compares scores of all opponents defeated or tied
with tied players.) 
¡¤	Number of Wins (Wins count as 1, ties as nothing.) 
¡¤	Most Blacks (Whoever has won more games as the second player wins the
tie.)

Round 1 match chart available here

Can someone please post the complete and final list of games so I can
update the IAGO site with the right games?  Also, please let me know which
chess variant is being played.  Would I be right to presume that Stealth
refers to Stealth Chess (the Stratego-like) chess game or something else
(for example)?

Carlos has indicated that all games will be assigned and started no later
than the end of the coming weekend.

most games are up.  

charles, which preset do you want to use: 
Charles Birds (vs Donut)


you can check on the games by entering PL1 in the games field.  counting
them, the joe-juan game of atlantean doesn't show up tho, not sure why.

for some reason something is wrong with the games involving graeme.  maybe
i used the wrong username.  graeme, if you can't access those games let me
know.  however, i don't have the power to delete/alter games so i guess i
will just reassign them.

Birds and Ninjas

The game is Birds and Ninjas. the ninja guards are normal - they DO NOT HAVE leaping camel move. All std rules EXCEPT one option: each side can drop 4 ninja pawns as per drop rule spec.

Thanks to the efforts of Carlos Carlos the tournament has started.

Good luck to all.

Carlos, I can view the games but cannot play them. The userid seems to be grayhawke2 - it should be just grayhawke, without the 2.

Cheers
G.

i wondered about that.  i entered grayhawke without the 2, but i noticed
that the game logs all say grayhawke2.  i'm not sure why that happened,
or what to do.  maybe you could create a new username if it's no big
deal?

Carlos, I don't mind creating a new userid, but am not sure how that helps. Can't the games be reassigned to grayhawke?