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Modern Chess. Variant on a 9 by 9 board with piece that combines bishop and knight moves. (9x9, Cells: 81) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
John Lawson wrote on Sun, Oct 20, 2002 02:50 PM UTC:
It was suggessted on the Bishop Conversion Rule page that it could be used
with Modern Chess.

http://www.chessvariants.com/varvar.dir/bcr.html

I dug out my Modern Chess set because I remembered that this issue had
been addressed in the rules. According to the Mathematical Thesis of
Modern Chess, by Gabriel Vicente Maura, (2nd revised edition, 1974, page
34 note), once during a game a player may do 'the adjustment of the
Bishop'. This move allows the player to interchange the positions of
either Bishop and the adjacent Knight. Like castling, neither piece may
have moved, and the action counts as a move. This may be done only once
per game, and both players have to agree to allow this move before the
start of the game. This move is not allowed by the World Federation of
Modern Chess, but the author recommends familiarizing oneself with playing
with Bishops on different colors. This 50-page booklet also contains a
justification of the design of Modern Chess based on mobility
calculations, and two photographs of Mr. Maura with his chess set.

George Duke wrote on Mon, Apr 4, 2005 08:23 PM UTC:
'MNO,LargeCV': Contemporaneous Janus Chess has doubled Cardinal(B+N), but with 9x9 board (year 1968)Modern Chess has just one and calls it Minister. Actually, this just takes now over 100-yr.-old Chancellor Chess and substitutes for the Marshall(R+N), making a marginal improvement. Those two, Modern and Chancellor, are both characterized by commercialization. However, same-coloured Bishops throughout are the drawback here. It seems the best CVs preserving the orthodox six(RNBKQP) go all the way to ten files if wanting to introduce new piece(s).

M Winther wrote on Wed, May 23, 2007 06:39 AM UTC:Poor ★
Modern Chess was invented by Gabriel Maura in 1968. In 1972 a controlling body (FENDAM) was formed with delegates representing 16 countries. The first Modern Chess World Championship was held in Puerto Rico 1974. The World Correspondence Championship of Modern Chess was held in the years 1976-1983. Organized events seized in 1983.

Although a fully playable variant, it is curious why 'Modern Chess' attracted that much attention. If the Prime Ministers (Cardinals) are exchanged, what remains is a slow and drawish version of orthochess. The pawns cannot meet immediately in the middle of the board. The fact that the bishops move on the same colour depletes the strategical content, I suppose.
/Mats

Christopher Heckman wrote on Mon, Oct 29, 2007 09:05 AM UTC:
Modern Chess appeared in Andy Soltis's book Chess to Enjoy. There, Maura's organization was called FEMDAM, not FENDAM.

The real purpose of this post is as follows: The Eight Officers Problem is impossible. Since the goal of Modern Chess was to increase mobility, that suggests that the 'Nine Officers Problem' should have a solution.

The Eight Officers Problem, for traditional chess, is the following: Is it possible to take a king, a queen, 2 bishops, 2 knights, and 2 rooks, and place them on a blank 8x8 board (with bishops on opposite colored squares) so that every square is attacked? (A piece does not attack the square it occupies.)

The Nine Officers Problem would be: Is it possible to take a king, a queen, a Prime Minister, 2 bishops, 2 knights, and 2 rooks, and place them on a blank 9x9 board (with bishops on Same-colored squares) so that every square is attacked?


Jose Carrillo wrote on Wed, Feb 13, 2008 07:10 PM UTC:
Just created a new preset for Modern Chess:
/play/pbm/play.php?game%3DModern+Chess%26settings%3DModern+Chess

I just discovered this variation in Puerto Rico while on vacation there when I played chess with some friends at a park in Manati.

Eric Greenwood wrote on Fri, Feb 15, 2008 05:41 PM UTC:
Is there any provision in Modern Chess allowing the Bishops to Change to opposite Diagonals? I saw a rule once for a game that allowed one of the Bishops to make a one-time move 1 square Horizontally or Vertically (before moving Diagonally). Is there any such type rule for this game?

David Paulowich wrote on Fri, Feb 15, 2008 11:09 PM UTC:

Sissa is a 9x9 chess variant invented in 1998 by Carlos Cetina, using his Bishops Conversion Rule. I do not recall anyone else including his rule in a chess variant. In Caïssa Britannia (Fergus Duniho) the Bishop may also step one space orthogonally without capturing - any Bishop, any number of times.


Antoine Fourrière wrote on Sun, Feb 17, 2008 09:28 AM UTC:
See also Peter Aronson's Not-Particularly-New Chess.

Jose Carrillo wrote on Sun, Feb 17, 2008 04:33 PM UTC:
>> Is there any provision in Modern Chess allowing the Bishops to 
>> Change to opposite Diagonals?

Yes there is.

There is a 'Bishop-Castling' or 'Bishop Adjustment' rule.

For only ONE of the bishops, you can 'castle' (switch positions) with either the Knight, Queen or Minister next to it, therefore moving that Bishop to the white squares.

The Bishop in question must have not moved before 'castling', and the Knight, Queen or Minister to 'castle' with must have not moved either.

I'm trying to get a copy of the original book from Gabriel Maura from a friend in Puerto Rico, to formalize the rules, and request an update to the rules page in Chess Variants.

Haven't heard of the Bishop's one square ortogonal move in Modern Chess, but will ask for the clarification.

Jose Carrillo wrote on Thu, Feb 21, 2008 08:10 PM UTC:
Here is the move coding for Game Courier for Modern Chess' Bishop-Adjustment (or 'Bishop Castling'): c-Bishop Adjustment with Knight: White: B-b1;N-c1 // [Bc<=>N (c-Bishop-Knight adjustment)] Black: b-b9;n-c9 // [Bc<=>N (c-Bishop-Knight adjustment)] c-Bishop Adjustment: White (with Minister): B-d1;M-c1 // [Bc<=>M (Bishop-Minister adjustment)] Black (with Queen) : b-d9;q-c9 // [Bc<=>Q (Bishop-Queen adjustment)] g-Bishop Adjustment with Knight: White: B-h1;N-g1 // [Bg<=>N (g-Bishop-Knight adjustment)] Black: b-h9;n-g9 // [Bg<=>N (g-Bishop-Knight adjustment)] g-Bishop Adjustment: White (with Queen) : B-f1;Q-g1 // [Bg<=>Q (Bishop-Queen adjustment)] Black (with Minister): b-f9;m-g9 // [Bg<=>M (Bishop-Minister adjustment)] Neither piece swapping places may have moved before the 'Bishop Adjustment' (or 'Bishop Castling')

Antoine Fourrière wrote on Sun, Mar 2, 2008 04:27 AM UTC:
This experimental preset enforces the rules described by Jose Carrillo. In order to castle with a Bishop, you must only enter the Bishop move.

Jose Carrillo wrote on Wed, Mar 5, 2008 04:26 PM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
Excellent Antoine! Thanks!

Does it enforce that only one Bishop can castle per side?

Antoine Fourrière wrote on Wed, Mar 5, 2008 09:02 PM UTC:
Yes it does, thanks to the unsetflag commands used in this file.

Jose Carrillo wrote on Wed, Mar 12, 2008 12:59 AM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
Thanks Antoine.

= = =

I just received today in the mail an original Spanish copy of Gabriel Vicente Maura's 1973 3rd edition 'Mathematical Thesis for Modern Chess including the Prime Minister'!!!

I found it in a Library of Antique Books in Madrid, Spain.

Nice little book (it's only 48 pages long).

It has Gabriel Vicente Maura's 'mathematical' explanation of why the chess board needed to be increased in size to 9x9, why a new powerful piece needed to be added to the game, and why that piece needed to be a Prime Minister (Bishop + Knight).

Interesting 'mathematical' theory.

I'll digest it first, and post a summary of his theory.

Jose Carrillo wrote on Sun, Mar 16, 2008 02:34 PM UTC:
BTW. The book confirms the Bishop Castling rule as I've described before. 

The rule is actually called the 'Bishop Adjustment' rule.

In the true nature of Modern Chess, Maura believed the game was better to be played with both Bishops on the dark squares.

But he left the possibility open for players that couldn't let go (of having Bishops in opposite colors).

Jose Carrillo wrote on Sat, Mar 22, 2008 03:34 PM UTC:
I'm working on the code for two new presets for Chess Courier for randomized variants for Modern Chess:

Modern Random Chess and Modern Fischer Random Chess

I'm trying to reuse some of the code already done for Fischer Random Chess, and found a statement that is too specific in the fischer.txt include file, that prevents this include file to be general enough to be used for 9x9 variants.

In the subroutine to evaluate actual moves by the Black Rook, in the elseif statement there is a reference to a physical coordinate (f8), rather than to a label (#roo):

sub r from to;
  set legal fn R #from #to;
  if not var legal or == old k:
    if == #to #rooo:
      castle #k #kooo #from #rooo;
      set k #kooo;
    elseif == #to f8:
      castle #k #koo #from #roo;
      set k #koo;
    endif;
  endif;
  unsetflag #from;
endsub;

The same is not the case for the subroutine for evaluating actual moves by the White Rook:

sub R from to;
  set legal fn R #from #to;
  if not var legal or == old K:
    if == #to #ROOO:
      castle #K #KOOO #from #ROOO;
      set K #KOOO;
    elseif == #to #ROO:
      castle #K #KOO #from #ROO;
      set K #KOO;
    endif;
  endif;
  unsetflag #from;
endsub;

Here the elseif has a #ROO label that allows this subroutine to be general enough to work for a 9x9 chess variant.

Can someone update the subroutine for black in fischer.txt to have the label #roo instead of f8?

Second question, how do I upload a new file into the include library?

I'm working on the code for a new modern-adjustment.txt file that will be general enough to provide for my new Bishop Adjustment in the randomized versions I'm working on, as well as for the Bishop Commuting found in the modern.txt include file.

Thanks.

Antoine Fourrière wrote on Mon, Mar 24, 2008 11:44 AM UTC:
Thanks for discovering the bug. I've replaced f8 by #roo.
I don't think there is presently a way for users to upload include files. I guess you can write your functions in the pregame field of your presets for debugging sake and send me include files when you're satisfied with them.

Jose Carrillo wrote on Mon, Mar 24, 2008 06:24 PM UTC:
Thanks Antoine!

Can you update the Modern Chess webpage to include the 'Bishop's Adjustment' rule?

http://www.chessvariants.org/large.dir/modern.html

Below is my English interpretation of the rule, which appears in Spanish on page 32 of Gabriel Maura's 1973 'Tesis Matematica del Ajedrez Moderno' (Mathematical Thesis for Modern Chess):

==

The Bishop Adjustment Rule

It consists in exchanging the square of one of the Bishops with either of the adjacent major pieces - the Queen or the Queen's Knight on the right, or the Minister or Minister's Knight to the left - as long as neither of the pieces being exchanged has been moved from its original square.

The player would have four ways to do the adjustment, but he is only allowed to do it one time throughout the game, if he wishes to. This adjustment counts as a move, just like castling. The notation for it is: B=MN (example for the adjustment with the Minister's Knight).

Jose Carrillo wrote on Sun, Apr 6, 2008 11:58 AM UTC:
Thanks for updating the Modern Chess page with the Bishop Adjustment rule.

I found two typos.

1. The notation for the Bishop and Minister's Knight example is actually
B=MN (I made a mistake before with B=MK).

2. The international organization created that arranged tournaments and
world championships for Modern Chess was FEMDAM. (not FENDAM as Pritchard
incorrently quotes in his book).

FEMDAM = FEderacion Mundial De Ajedrez Moderno

which is Spanish for 'World Federation of Modern Chess'

Can someone please update the two typos in the Modern Chess page? 

http://www.chessvariants.org/large.dir/modern.html

[All fixed, I think. DH] [Yes. Thanks. JC]

George Duke wrote on Wed, Apr 9, 2008 10:47 PM UTC:
It is interesting Maura has old tome 'Mathematical Thesis For Modern Chess'. Maura seems to be reacting against 9x9 Chancellor Chess' unbalancing Bishops in keeping them on same colour instead. '9x9' is not that popular size in number of attempts and seems awkward. Yet most games turn out well (better than this Modern) on 9x9. '9x9' must have the highest percentage disproportionately worth 'Excellent' of any particular size-grouping. Who knows why? Maybe because Shogi is so bad from a worldwide perspective, and anything else on 9x9 has to be improvement. Some Excellent CVs on precisely 9x9: Weave & Dungeon, Altair, The Travelers, Coherent, Bifocal, Sissa, Hanga Roa. Good or Very Good CVs on 9x9: Achernar, Kristensen's, Melee, Canonical, 9x9 Squares Rotating, Rotary, Chesquerque, Symmetric Sissa, Three Fat Brothers, Nine-Square. One and all size 9x9 and well worth manufacturing.

Jose Carrillo wrote on Mon, Apr 28, 2008 02:19 AM UTC:
Can one of the admins for the site update the links at 

http://www.chessvariants.org/index/mainquery.php?type=Any&startswithletter=M&orderby=LinkText&displayauthor=1&displayinventor=1

to include a link to the Modern Chess preset for Game Courier?

The Modern Chess preset's link is:
/play/pbm/play.php?game%3DModern+Chess%26settings%3DAlfaerie

The 'See Also' page for Modern Chess:

http://www.chessvariants.org/index/displayitem.php?itemid=Modernchess

needs also to be updated with the link to the Chess Courier preset above.

Thanks in advance.

Jose Carrillo wrote on Sun, May 11, 2008 01:44 PM UTC:
I have developed a more generic Bishop Adjustment Rule for the new Modern Random Chess variation.

My new Bishop Adjustment Rule also applies to Modern Chess:
http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSthebishopadjus

George Duke wrote on Sat, Aug 16, 2008 07:27 PM UTC:
Here is where all the '9x9's are recently listed at prior comment. So, to add to ones at Coherent are Bifocal, The Travelers, Achernar, Canonical, 9x9 Squares Rotating, Chesquerque, Chancellor, Symmetric Sissa, Nine-Square, Rotary. [Shogi is the only bad 9x9.]

Simon Jepps wrote on Thu, Jan 1, 2009 10:11 PM UTC:Good ★★★★
I was wondering:

1. Are there any websites dedicated to Modern Chess... I mean do people actually play it?

2. It's tempting but I don't like the Bishop adjustment thingy. Unless perhaps, would giving the Bishop the option to utilise one opportunity per game to move one square in any direction be good?

3. Is it one sided playing an odd number of squares? Does Black or White have a distinct advantage on a 9 x 9 square board?

4. Where can I buy a 9 x 9 board?

John Smith wrote on Thu, Jan 1, 2009 11:19 PM UTC:Poor ★
White has the advantage of a more quickly promoting centre Pawn but it is balanced somewhat by the reverse symmetry. The imbalance between the colours, both in terms of the board and the armies, makes the game ugly, as does the Bishop Adjustment Rule. This is one of the reasons I created Modern Makruk. The most obvious solution would be to include a Marshall, but that would just be another Carrera variant, which may be one of the reasons for the creation of this. I, however, consider the Marshall the lesser of the two evils. Shogi does not suffer from either of these flaws because symmetrical centre Pawn play is disadvantageous for the first player and the Bishops are naturally unbound both by promotion and drops.

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