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It was last modified on: 2010-02-10
 By Simon Edward Jepps. Gandhiji. Awesome, tactical and magical game invented to aid world peace. (10x10, Cells: 100) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Simon Jepps wrote on 2010-07-18 UTC

Simon Jepps wrote on 2010-06-21 UTC
Ah shoot. It doesn't matter how many times you explain it, as simple as it is, people always make a complicated mole hill out of it.

In light of this I have simplified the infinite movement to just that of a colour bound Rook.

Probably a good change anyway, since the Elephant was still too powerful and elaborate as it was before.

So much better now - all is even.

Simon Jepps wrote on 2010-02-13 UTC
John, I updated the emphasis in explanation to say:

'...,the Elephant is only allowed to move infinitely in a loop along the travelled diagonal, file or rank.'

Trust me it's not confusing. All it means is, if you were to travel diagonally, horizontally or vertically to the edge of the board, then continue infinitely, the only place you are legally allowed to reappear, is back at the other end of the diagonal, vertical or horizontal you just travelled down.

So if you went horizontally from a1 to j1, then continued along that horizontal, you would arrive back at a1 only.

Similarly, if travelling diagonally, regardless of what squares seem to be cross-pathed, you can only reappear back at the other end of the diagonal you just travelled.

John Smith wrote on 2010-02-13 UTC
The loop movement confuses me. So the diagonals loop along the same regular diagonal, not cylindrically/toroidally, right?

Simon Jepps wrote on 2010-02-11 UTC
Jose, that's because they are high quality wood. If of course you can find any cheaper ones please let me know.

All in all I've found it very hard to find 100 square boards on the net - I got mine by chance in a second hand shop that even more unusually was also selling 9x9's and 11x11's! So since these are beautifully made and there are no other options, these are the ones I've given details of.

Jose Carrillo wrote on 2010-02-11 UTC
>> Q. Where can I buy 100 square boards?
>> A. You can buy 100 square boards from Masters Games. 

49.90 sterling pounds!!! plus S&H, those are very expensive boards...

Simon Jepps wrote on 2010-02-11 UTCGood ★★★★
No, the Elephant cannot move along the 'loop' as Knight or Pawn. But even so, the King won't be in check because the Elephant can only capture/check as Knight or Pawn. Just remember the theme of Knight and Pawn: E can capture/check as N or P, but cannot move infinitely as N or P.

Another note: You've misunderstood infinite movement, even though you use the correct term to explain it! What I mean is, even if the Elephant were able to check like a King, the opponent's King would not be in Check because the E can only move infinitely in a loop. So the checked square would be at the opposite end of the diagonal, not the the next diagonal square down.

On values: You're right about the Knight being valued less on a larger board. I don't think though that the other pieces have more range - they are still able to perform the same task - it's just the Knight has less range. I don't think then that the Knight is terribly devalued, only slightly.

Nicholas Wolff wrote on 2010-02-11 UTC
A questoin and then a suggestion:

I am a little confused about the movement of the elephant.  An elephant cannot move along the 'loop' as a king or pawn?  I think this is what you said, but I need clarification, because otherwise, the elephant starts out checking the opposing king.

On a larger board, the values of the shortrange pieces decrease, while raising the values of the 'riders'.  So, a knight on a larger board, will be less powerful than on an 8x8 board, though a queen will be more powerful.  I do not know exact values, but you may want to look over those.


Simon Jepps wrote on 2010-02-11 UTCGood ★★★★
Hi guys. I've valued the Elephant at 6 points, but this is only an assumption since I am not too familiar with the mathematics involved in working it out to atomic precision. If any of you reckon you might have a better idea of its exact value, feel free to comment here. Cheers!

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