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It was last modified on: 2004-11-06
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Paul DeWitte wrote on 2004-11-10 UTC
I rather like the suggestion of naming this variant 'OverKnight Chess'. Other names that I had been considering were 'Mustang Chess' (after the mascot of my alma mater, the University of Western Ontario), 'Nightmare Chess', and 'Thundering Herd Chess' (I like the imagery of this one.) My latest favourite name is 'Arthurian Chess', in honour of the the famous Knights of the Round Table of King Arthur's Court. However, I am a little hesitant to attach this name because, although this variant has plenty of knights, it isn't played on a round board. And, after all, any variant named 'Arthurian Chess' is practically begging to be played on a round board, isn't it?

Fergus Duniho wrote on 2004-11-10 UTC

Since you agree that the name needs to be changed, what do you want to
call it instead of Knightmare Chess? Since it is your game, the choice
should be yours.

Anonymous wrote on 2004-11-09 UTC
A Knight promoting to a Knight is not good because of the two classes of
Knight being created. However, allowng a Knight to remain a Knight on the
eight the rank raises no problems. Unlike a pawn, it is not stranded; and
the two-class situation is absent--if the Knight remains a Knight, moves
off the eighth rank and later returns, it can then promote or not.

In Shogi, promotion is mandatory if and only if the failure to promote
would leave the piece immobile. One could argue that the same rule
to FIDE Chess (and by extension to its variants) just as easily as a rule
that promotion is mandatory--since the Pawn is the only promotable piece
and it does become immobilized onthe eighth rank, the two rules are
identical in effect.

In full, the Shogi rule allows a piece to promote when its move starts in
the pormotion zne and ends outside it as well as the usual case. This
could be a quite intersting rule for the Knights of this game.

Paul DeWitte wrote on 2004-11-08 UTC
Re: Knight promotions:
A knight is not allowed to 'promote' to a knight in this version. 
First, a knight 'becoming' a knight technically does not constitute a
promotion.  A better reason for the rule prohibiting a knight from
promoting to (or remaining) a knight resides in the confusion attendant
allowing two different 'classes' of knights to remain on the board
simultaneously, namely knights that have the potential to promote, and
those that have, in essence, lost that potential.
It's a good question, though.  The knight, after all, remains a powerful
piece even after having reached the opponent's king's row, unlike a
pawn, which, if it doesn't promote upon reaching the opponent's king's
row, becomes essentially stranded.
Re: The name:
Yes, I agree that this variant needs a new name.

Nasmichael Farris wrote on 2004-11-08 UTC
I agree that OverKnight Chess has a good ring to it.

Doug Chatham wrote on 2004-11-07 UTC
Just a question: in ordinary chess, a pawn can promote to knight. In this variant, can a knight promote to knight?

Jianying Ji wrote on 2004-11-07 UTCGood ★★★★
How about OverKnight Chess as a reference to the over abundance of knights.

Fergus Duniho wrote on 2004-11-07 UTC
Be that as it may, Parton's Knightmare Chess is relatively obscure and unplayed, whereas the game published by Steve Jackson Games is well-known and popular. I would not expect a commercially published game to change its name because it was once used for a noncommercial game that has fallen into obscurity, but I would expect a new game to change its name in light of the fact that it is already being used by a popular, commercially published game, especially when that name is a trademark of the company publishing the game, which it is. Calling this game Knightmare Chess is a trademark violation. Besides that, the prior use of this name by Parton just raises the need, however slightly, to choose a new name for this game.

Peter Aronson wrote on 2004-11-07 UTC
Actually, V.R. Parton used the name Knightmare Chess long before Steve Jackson games did.

Fergus Duniho wrote on 2004-11-07 UTC

The name Knightmare Chess is already taken. It belongs to a commercial game that adds a deck of cards to Chess. Using it for this game will just sow confusion.

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