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Giveaway Chess. Taking is obligatory; the first player that loses all his pieces wins. (8x8, Cells: 64) (Recognized!)[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]I played this last night with three other guys on a 4 player chess board (with 3 extra rows off each side) I'd never played the variant even just 2 players before, and it was really really fun. Games didn't last nearly as long as the standard 4-player chess game.
Unfortunately, almost all links given on this page are gone. The actual links and more can be found on the 'Losing Chess Information' page at <a href='http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/ICGA/games/losingchess/start.html'>http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/ICGA/games/losingchess/start.html</a>.
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Unfortunately, you don't mean the variant in which the whoever takes all pieces of the opponent wins, and capturing is obligatory. That would be interesting. You mean nothing more than Give-Away.
Note that my last comment was in light of the fact that 'Take-All' was linked to this variant.
Very nice use of Game Courier sample games!
I don´t know whether some extensive computer analysis has been done for this game, the branching factor is by far much less than in chess. With the aid of actual technology, it seems to be a good project, perhaps factible, to determine if it its true of false the empirical suspect that the game is a forced win for White.
A good outline. You haven't mentioned the name 'loser's chess', which is the name used by the largest online chess club in the world (www.chessclub.com).
Grandmaster David Bronstein's 'solution' is nothing of the sort: it was an off-hand game played against IM Gik, where he was relying on Gik playing 'normal' chess moves -- and he duly obliged. 3.Nc3 is very helpful...
why is castling not allowed?
has anyone experimented with different opening arrays for Losing Chess? The first thing I would try is moving the Bishops to the center to prevent the immediate giving away of the Bishops.
To the user who asked why castling is not allowed: Castling is allowed on ICC (www.chessclub.com), but I don't know about anywhere else. This page should at least say that castling is sometimes allowed.
Castling in normal chess is meant to move the important but vulnerable king to a safe place. But in losing chess the king has no special role, and therefore, I think, it would not be logical to allow castling.
The editors received the following correspondence from Doron Singer: Your example claims Bxc1 wins. It, in fact, loses, which goes to show suicide chess is deeper than what most people give it credit for. Black's win is as follows: 1. Bxc1 g5 2. Bxg5 a6 3. Bxe7 axb5 now: 4. Bxf8 Nc6 5. Bxb5 Nd7 6. Bxd7 Ra3 7. Bxa3 b4 8. Bxb4 0-1 or: 5. Bxc5 Ra3 if: 6. Bxf8 Nd7 and so on and if: 6. Bxa3 Nc6 and so on. Doron.
In the HAKMEM variant of Giveaway chess, pawns must promote to queens, while in standard Giveaway chess, pawns can promote to anything (except pawns). Another way you could do, is pawns are even allowed to stay as pawns and be stuck!
For the four kinds of stalemate rules to implement in Zillions:
- International rules: Specify that stalemated player wins. (Condition of no pieces remaining is not necessary because having 0 pieces already means no moves available)
- AISE rules: Specify player with 0 pieces remaining wins (stalemate is draw by default).
- FICS rules: The count-condition in Zillions can only specify whoever has more pieces wins, not loses. So, what you can do, is specify that each player moves his opponent's pieces: (turn-order (White Black) (Black White))
- Ebenfelt's variant: Turn off stalemate checking. Set option 'pass turn' forced.
Suicide Chess Solution for E2E4 open move is incomplete! If knight does not move B1C3, but white player makes move with other piece there is a big chance White wins : ) (G2-G3 Pawn for example seems like move which ruins the whole solution) Please if someone knows where I can find the whole solution write to pnk at abv dot bg. Thank U
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I will be very happy if you like it !!!This was the first chess variant I'd ever heard of, way back in elementary school around 1970. After trying it a few times I disliked a game that would rely heavily on giving away stuff to the opponent in order to win. Looking at the variant's webpage nowadays, I can see this variant has depth, in spite of my still not liking it much as far as the thought of playing it myself. The extensive opening theory that apparently one needs to know to survive (in any sense) against strong losing chess players looks daunting, and I'm a bit disappointed that the traditional and obvious chess centre pawn moves 1.e4 and 1.d4 are thought to lose for White in this variant. So, not my cup of tea (at least at present) but I can see how this variant and its basic concept might attract many other people to it.
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