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Fischer Random Chess. Play from a random setup. (8x8, Cells: 64) (Recognized!)[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Charles Daniel wrote on Fri, Jul 31, 2009 07:55 PM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
Fischer is the 'inventor' because only he had the audacity to come up with this seemingly convoluted but quite logical castling rules. It is truly amazing that world caliber players are now playing this variant - it is really taking off. 

Treating the squares c1 and g1 as safety bunkers for the king - castling makes perfect sense .  

With this in mind, I have a new idea one i may submit soon regarding shuffle chess. An alternative to castling,  King's leap to the b or g squares (from any position in backrank), applicable to shuffle chess and seemingly never 'invented' before in the 'exact form' i propose. In conjunction to Fischer random castling slightly modified - I call this new system: King to Bunker Leap. It is applicable to shuffle chess and to pre-chess. 

There are many who would differ that 'Chess 1' is exhausted though. I tend to agree to some degree, with the caveat 'for high rated > 2000 elo' or for  those not willing to specialize in 1 game. 
Try 'exhausting to compete in' instead. 

Excellence in Chess 1 translates almost directly to full capability in 960 with some debacles because of unfamiliarity with weird angles and so forth. 

Nakamura could very well be future world champ. But Anand competed very strongly in this event losing to Aronian years back. 

Note that computers win in chess 960 just as easily, but novelties/opening preparation not an issue here, though one can always attempt to memorize 960 position opening theory to some extent.

George Duke wrote on Fri, Jul 31, 2009 06:41 PM UTC:
We should consider by his victory over Levon Aronian at Mainz 2009 Nakamura the world champion of Chess! Period. Because versatility at many arrays, whatever the undertaking is called or how brief the tournament, is superior measure than memorization within the silicon-owned RNBQKBNR fixed. For so long as FRC is the major creative competition -- and great sport as such -- by succeeding Aronian, Nakamura is now considered the premier one to beat. Congratulations are the order of the day.

George Duke wrote on Fri, Jul 31, 2009 05:05 PM UTC:
There are many more attempts in 'ECV', including sources, at mixing up the first and last ranks. The Mutator is repeatedly exploited over two centuries. As Mutators, a good CV should include from 2 up to 10 well-thought-out alternate arrays, hoping or expecting each of them eventually to be played repeatedly. The idea of Free or Pre- or Fischer is more one-shot and forget-about-it. CV designers put forth an alternate initial array, so that when one exhausts (as RNBQKBNR exhausted probably by year 1920), just go to another 1 or 2 carefully selected. Only a few turn out to meet all criteria of aesthetics, challenge and evenness. [Related shufflers, RANDOMIZED CHESS and REAL CHESS in 'ECV' must be deferred for brevity.] In early 1970s the same general idea re-surfaces as Screen Chess, somewhat like Pre-Chess (1978) to follow. Differently Screen Chess involves further pre-deployment of forces beyond starting rank without shared knowledge; prolific Joseph Boyer expanded some modalities for SC -- suggesting it probably goes back to 1960s. To us this generic randomizing is more about Mutator niceties, not full-fledged CVs, even if adding some castling technicalities. Yet Fischer is entitled to Chess960 by CVPage standards (loose but not strict). So would be Karpov entitled to Chess 970, if so inclined, just by thinking up 10 more adequate orders. One or another Polger can have Chess 980, Anand Chess 990, and Kramnik 1000, and so on. To each his and her own. Or exclude 100 of them for your own Chess 860, 760, 660, 560; best add some ad hoc castling rule or even promotion characteristic for personal distinguishment.

George Duke wrote on Fri, Jul 31, 2009 04:57 PM UTC:
The new world champion Hikaru Nakamura!  
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5626
Randomized 8x8 came and went already many times. Researchers could write books on CVs randomizing pieces. Next to Carrera (RN) and (BN), shuffling is the most popular type of CV in all time for designers cooking something up.  Pritchard 'ECV' under Baseline Chess records year 1851 at Baden Baden score between van der Hoeven and von der Lasa starting BKRRBNNQ. Pritchard's source is 'Dizionario Enciclopedico degli Scacchi'. It's what we call FRC or Chess960 now for purely political reasons. The variables in the theme for these 200 years, since Alexandre's invention, chiefly include: (1) whether non-mirrors allowed (2) players select or not (3) how much free placement. Also included (4) what CV to start with, since it doesn't have to be really 8x8 RNBQKBNR, but instead such as Capablanca 8x10. 
http://www.chessvariants.org/large.dir/bbchess/bbchess.html Before is a plenteous one by Professor Shoenfelder on 10x10 more liberally predisposed than even Benko's Pre-Chess.
At that time of Capablanca Chess inception, around 1921 Erich Brunner began popularizing 8x8 Random as Free Chess. FC tourneys in 1920s happened at Switzerland and England, like Mainz 2006-2009 repeats now. The difference between Free and FRC is mostly respecting #(2) above; for Free the answer is Yes, and for Fischer the answer is No.

George Duke wrote on Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:22 PM UTC:Good ★★★★
Definitely the sense of CVPage readers in second year 1996 of website, when Bodlaender alone posted, was Track One, the Next Chess. We appreciate Joe Joyce's making serious comments briefly recapitulating unbeknownst that early ethos. In Argentina Fischer presented his alternative the same year of this article. Eric van Reem and the other authors may not mention anywhere that best information is that Alexandre in 1820's came up with the seminal idea for FRC. (Alexandre was one of the operators hidden inside The Turk automaton for Maelzel's circus.) By the time Betza became prolific in 2001, Track Two of whimsy and divertissement overtook Track One, and they both still have a role. Hey who would give up ''A Visit to Nemeroth'' for some extended Shatranj?

Rich Hutnik wrote on Mon, Apr 21, 2008 02:22 PM UTC:
My suggestion for a way to randomize the starting positions (also works with all shuffles) and also record this position in a way that is self-explanatory for the nature of the positions.  Please feel free to comment. 

Need 8 cards or tiles numbered 1-8.
These cards or tiles represent columns on a chessboard.  Numbers are used instead of letters, for notation purposes (see below).  Numbers correspond to different columns. 1=A, 2=B, 3=C, 4=D, 5=E, 6=F, 7=G, 8=H .   The space the pieces would go in are in the row they would normally set up in.  In normal chess, white goes into row 1 and black in row 8.  

Will place pieces in following order: Bishops, King, Rooks, Queen, Knights.  Pawns remain where they normally should be.  Whenever a card has been picked, then that card is separated from remaining cards to be used to determine placement of pieces.

To place Bishops: Separate cards into odd and even piles.  Shuffle and deal out one from each.  First place odd, then even numbers.  Record these two numbers. Example: Card 5 and card 6 came up.  Bishops are put in columns E (card 5) and F (card 6).  Record first two digits as 56

To place King: Gather together all cards that were not selected. Separate 1 and 8 cards from these cards. If the 1 card was already selected, then separate out the 2 card.  If the 8 card has already been selected, then separate out the 7 card.  These cards will be added back in to select placement of Rooks and Queen.  Shuffle together these remaining cards, and select 1.  Record this number.  Example: Card 3 came up.  Rook is put in column C (card 3).  Next digit is recorded as a 3.  The current record of pieces placed is 563.

To place Rooks: Look at position of King.  Gather together all remaining cards in a lower position than position of King in one pile (following with example here, cards 1 and 2) and all remaining cards in a higher position than King (following the ongoing examples, this would be cards 4, 7, 8).  Random select from first pile one card (or if there is only one card, then that is the position), and from second pile one card.  Record these numbers (lower then higher), and place rooks in these columns.  In this ongoing set of examples, let's say 2 and 8 were selected.  The numbers two and 8 would be recorded with the other numbers, and Rooks placed in the B (card 2) column and H (card 8) column.  The current record of pieces would be 56328

To place Queen: Take remaining cards together shuffle, and select one.  Queen would go in that column.  In this ongoing example, the remaining cards would be 1, 4, 7.  For this example, say the 1 card was picked.  Queen would be placed in the A column (card 1).  The current record would be 563281.  This is the final recorded position.

To place the Knights:  Place them in the two remaining empty positions.  In the ongoing example here, the remaining cards would be 4 and 7.  The Knights are placed in columns D (card 4) and column G (card 7).

To sum up, the position generated by this is: 564281 (b56 k3 r28 q1).  This is also the notation name for the position. 

Board set up would look like this:
qrknbbnr
pppppppp

[Empty spaces between pieces]

PPPPPPPP
QRKNBBNR

-------------------------------------
For a more random shuffle, in games without castling, the order of the pieces is done the same, but with less restrictions.  For color balance of Bishops, the same idea of sorting the cards by odd or even would apply.  Bishops would be then put on appropriate spaces.  Say 1 and 8 were picked.  The notation would be: 18 for Bishops.

Then the King would placed.  Say 2 was picked.  Notation would be 182

Then the Rooks would be placed.  Say 5, 7 were picked.  Notation would be so far 18257

Then the Queen would be placed.  Say position 3 was picked.  Notation would be 182573

Knights would be placed in empty spaces.

Pieces would be in following configuration:
BKQNRNRB

Final notation for this position is: 182573

M. Futrega wrote on Sun, Aug 6, 2006 05:32 PM UTC:
Kurnik Online Games (http://www.kurnik.org/) has recently added Fischer Random Chess for playing online against live opponents in real time. There are online tournaments, game recording, archive of played games and other features available. (To play this game on Kurnik first choose 'chess' from the homepage, then switch to 'chess 960'.)

Derek Nalls wrote on Tue, Apr 4, 2006 06:10 AM UTC:
material values- all pieces
Fischer Random Chess
http://www.symmetryperfect.com/shots/values-chess.pdf

Reinhard Scharnagl wrote on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 12:45 AM UTC:
Hi Gene, I mentioned your book near to mine at my SMIRF / ChessBox pages:
http://www.chessbox.de/Compu/schachbuch.html . Unfortunately my German
language book on Chess960 is sold only rarely about 10 pieces per quarter.
So I hope for you to have better success with yours ... ;-)

Your book is enlighting a lot of details also on 'fights' about right or
wrong extended FEN and move representation for engines playing Chess960.
Meanwhile the unnecessarily invented Fritz numbering scheme for Fischer
Random Chess luckily has been withdrawn by an update of that program.

Regards, Reinhard.

Juan Pablo wrote on Fri, Feb 17, 2006 11:09 PM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
Very good, I hope you can develop a chess game to download and promote de
fischerandom,

cheers from Argentina

Gene Milener wrote on Mon, Feb 13, 2006 05:26 AM UTC:
It is significant news for chess960 (a.k.a. Fischer Random Chess) when a
major new chess book is published that is largely devoted to chess960.

I therefore would like to encourage the editors to add mention of this
new
chess960 book to this web page.

The book info is:

Play Stronger Chess by Examining Chess960:
Usable Strategies of Fischer Random Chess Discovered
   by
Gene Milener

ISBN  0-9774521-0-7
Page count 252

More information, including an extended excerpt, is available at
http://CastleLong.com/.

Available at Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk, BarnesAndNoble.com, and
elsewhere.

This chess book is about both chess960 and chess1, because it compares
and
contrasts them.  This teaches us things about both rule sets that are
harder to see when studying either in isolation.

Thank you.

M. Thompson wrote on Tue, Nov 8, 2005 05:21 PM UTC:
Yes, but was Fischer just being Fischer? The question has been asked
before. By the way, Karpov says he will play Fischer, even if it is FRC,
and there is an article out now showing Fischer meeting with Kasparov!!!!
Can this be true? http://www.GothicChess.com/news.html is the link.
Exciting stuff if it were so.

Derek Nalls wrote on Fri, Oct 14, 2005 04:30 PM UTC:
Fischer vs. Topalov
Fischer Random Chess
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=53662

According to this news report, both are willing to play one another.
Will negotiations over money and the details of the competition hold-up,
though?

Roberto Lavieri wrote on Thu, Aug 4, 2005 01:20 PM UTC:
FRC (Also called Chess 960, due the 960 possible starting positions) open Tournament in Mainz: The FiNet Open in Chess960 (11-12 August), in which the starting positions of the pieces will be known only a few minutes before the start of the game, is the only one of this sort worldwide on this level. The first 32 grandmasters of the starting list have an average ELO of over 2600!. It is also included the Chess960 (FRC) championship between Svidler and Almasi. To see...

Greg Strong wrote on Wed, Jun 1, 2005 01:34 AM UTC:
Fischer is eccentric for sure, and I have no doubt that he knows how to
play his status to his advantage (monetary or otherwise.)  What gives me
hope is his requirement for 'fischer random' rules.  To me, this
suggests that his eccentricity is focused on the popularization of FRC and
not on direct income.  Given that this is his purpose (allegdly) the
question is whether other top-level players will agree.  His other
requirement was world-class competition, and I truely wonder how many
other grand-masters will be willing to play him at his own game (despite
the fact that 'his game' is designed to level the playing field by
removing opening book knowledge.)

Roberto Lavieri wrote on Tue, May 31, 2005 05:39 PM UTC:
Obviously, Fischer eccentricities, mental sickness and actual status can be used by others for monetary purposes. The problem is that this man is unpredictable enough, and investing some bills in this adventure is a real risk for the opportunists.

Derek Nalls wrote on Tue, May 31, 2005 03:36 PM UTC:
Well, don't buy a non-refundable airline ticket to Iceland for this event
just yet.  Fischer is notoriously eccentric and difficult to negotiate
with.

The weird thing is that I suspect all of the publicity surrounding his
detention in Japan and fugitive status in US-America made this tentative
event hold stronger interest to the public and hence, more feasible as a
business venture.

Roberto Lavieri wrote on Mon, May 30, 2005 10:39 PM UTC:
From Chessbase:
Breaking news: Fischer comeback?
27.05.2005 Bobby Fischer is considering returning to the arena of
competitive chess. Yesterday he met with his former adversary Boris
Spassky, who travelled to Iceland with the expressed purpose of 'drawing
Fischer back to the chessboard'. Fischer is agreeable to the notion, but
insists on a worthy opponent and Fischer Random rules.

Reinhard Scharnagl wrote on Mon, Jan 17, 2005 05:55 PM UTC:
to David: thank you for your good wishes. I am about to do the first tests of the second Smirf program beta release. It is able to play Chess, Chess960, Capablanca Random Chess, Janus Chess and a lot more 8x8 and 10x8 variants (but claiming FCR/CRC are SUPERSETS, not variants).

David Paulowich wrote on Sat, Jan 15, 2005 09:07 PM UTC:
George: Betza tends to call Chess With Different Armies 'just plain chess' and reserve the term 'chess variant' for something as different as Shogi. This can be confusing to us mere mortals. I have added a few comments concerning his rating(s) to the Chaturanga page.

David Paulowich wrote on Sat, Jan 15, 2005 08:54 PM UTC:
Reinhard: The Cetina Random Chess page (June 3, 1998) on this site is the original source of my interest in shuffle chess variants, which eventually led me to a diceless chess variant. I wish you well with your Capablanca Random Chess project.

George Duke wrote on Fri, Jan 14, 2005 10:16 PM UTC:
Of course I mean a 2400 Senior Master would stay that within FIDE chess. Ralph Betza's idea is for a combined rating. Suppose 9 CVs are equally rated with FIDE Chess making 10 games. Playing at 2000 for the 9 would come in at 2040 for fully-combined rating in this hypothetical case. Obviously it can help performance to know a variety of mind sports, like cross-training in athletics. Betza spoke of his being Master, so say he has been FIDE-rated 2200. He may very well have reached some 2700 at CVs, having played them 30 or more yrs. His combined rating, 2600 or whatever depending on the system and weightings, would be hard to beat. (Such CV ratings do not exist, but are further suggested by Paulowich's Comment here about PBM and Orthodox Chess.)

Greg Strong wrote on Fri, Jan 14, 2005 09:29 PM UTC:
<p><blockquote>On contrary, a Grandmaster forced to play a lot of Ultima, Maxima, Chess-Different-Armies may never rise above Class A 1999, however calculated.</blockquote> Is this statement based on some research? I find it counter-intuitive that simply playing the games you mention would reduce or limit someone's skill at Orthodox Chess.</p>

George Duke wrote on Fri, Jan 14, 2005 08:55 PM UTC:
David Paulowich mentions playing against '2100 level opponent', meaning FIDE Chess at expert level. How would typical FIDE player do at CVs? Ralph Betza says (under Chaturanga)his 'average of the two skills is far higher than anybody else' including Parton and Fischer. It would be expected a 2300 Master or even 2600 Grandmaster maintain the level in extensive play of Carrera's or Capablanca-Random, or Grand Chess, because of the familiar piece moves. On contrary, a Grandmaster forced to play a lot of Ultima, Maxima, Chess-Different-Armies may never rise above 'Class A 1999'[in CV rating] however calculated. As far as that goes, why conflate general chess skill and success at FIDE game?

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