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M. Howe wrote on Sun, Jan 12, 2003 10:03 PM UTC:
I have come up with a CV I'd like to call Chess Plus.  And since it appears
no one has used that name yet on these pages, I'm here to call dibs!  It's
an 8x8 game using orthodox pieces, Marshal, Cardinal, enhanced knights,
enhanced bishops, and two additional pieces that depend on what variant
you select -- basic version uses Dukes, which are
ferz+wazir+alfil+dabbaba.  I'll send the game to the editors for posting
as soon as I can slap together a rules file.  I've already built the ZRF.

John Lawson wrote on Mon, Jan 13, 2003 07:24 AM UTC:
Well, it's not exactly on this site, but....
http://www.chessvariants.com/link2.dir/chessplusdeck.html

M. Howe wrote on Mon, Jan 13, 2003 11:24 AM UTC:
Hmmm, well I want to use 'Chess Plus' and the link is to 'Chess Plus
Dvorak.'  Not exactly the same, so I think I can still call --- Dibs! 
Seriously, though, the linked site is interesting and might make a fun
game for people who don't mind the element of chance in their chess.

Robert Shimmin wrote on Mon, Jan 13, 2003 08:48 PM UTC:
If the goal is to avoid confusion, then you should be aware that 
Chess Plus is the name of an existing commercial four-player variant.
The author sells it at

http://www3.sympatico.ca/thejohnston/chess_plus.htm

If you're not concerned about avoiding confusion, then why bother with
calling dibs or anysuch?  Just look at how many superchesses there are.

M. Howe wrote on Mon, Jan 13, 2003 09:21 PM UTC:
Thanks for the info.  I am indeed concerned about avoiding confusion, and I
guess I retract my dibs (which I hope people realize was half-joking
anyway).  I'll try to think of something unique.

Meanwhile, I have written a ZRF for Mike Nelson's 'Capablanca-64' and
included an alternate array I'm calling 'Carrera-64'.  They both appear to
be very good games and a great way to incorporate the B+N and R+N onto the
standard chessboard.

Peter Aronson wrote on Mon, Jan 13, 2003 09:54 PM UTC:
Some similar ideas to Chess Plus: Chess++ (a joke on the computer language C++) or Chess+- (Chess more or less). <p> I don't think either of those are taken. On the other hand, there are a number of unpublished YA named games (no, not <u>Y</u>oung <u>A</u>dult, but <u>Y</u>et <u>A</u>nother, like in YACC for <u>Y</u>et <u>A</u>nother <u>C</u>ompiler <u>C</u>ompiler), such as YADCV (<u>Y</u>et <u>A</u>nother <u>D</u>ecimal <u>C</u>hess <u>V</u>ariant), or one by David Howe who's name escapes me.

M. Howe wrote on Mon, Jan 13, 2003 11:46 PM UTC:
Hey!  I rather like the Chess++ idea.  And it even fits my game concept
thematically.  Dibs again!  ;)  So here's a coding question for Peter or
the other top ZRF experts.  I'd like to set up a game where pieces are 'in
the queue' off the board behind specific pieces that start in the array. 
For example, let's say that a 'general' starts in the queue behind the
'cardinal.'  When the cardinal moves away from its array square, the
general appears there.  This only happens once, though, and additional
moves by the cardinal do not create more generals.  This idea might allow
me to incorporate unorthodox pieces on the standard chessboard without
clogging up the array and therefore bogging down the opening.  And who
wants clogging and bogging, anyway?  But I need to playtest it.  Any hints
on the best way to code this in Zillions?  I could probably come up with
something, but I have the feeling it would take me ten times as long to
reason it out as it will take Peter et.al.  Thanks!

Peter Aronson wrote on Tue, Jan 14, 2003 12:10 AM UTC:
Well, as usual with Zillions, there are a number of ways to do what you
want.  The approach I'd be inclined to try is use a first move attribute
for the piece, and on the first move use an add-copy instead of an add,
and then go back and do a change type on the starting square.

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Wed, Jan 15, 2003 03:24 AM UTC:
Here's a way to do it with a bit less overhead. Have two Bishop pieces and
call one an unmoved_Bishop. When the unmoved Bishop moves, change it to an
ordinary Bishop, and create another piece on its old space.

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