Comments by catugo
I'm not sure if the comunity is large enough to warrant such a competition. Nor the audience. Maybe we should stick to organizing tournaments here :)!
We should consider a formula 1 like competition using computers, and maybe desing games with that in mind. This is what apothecary series is about but I cannot obviosly claim that I know better :)!
I'd play but I was thinking about choosing just a few games and have 3-4 separate tournaments of some of those games. Not that my way is better :(!
I agree with your points Kevin.
But human online competitions are virtually impossible to be held online and still be engine free.
For the online media cyborg chess is the best option.
And human tournaments are expensive.
Anyway here is a list of my preferred games: Grand Chess, Omega Chess, Shako, Eurasian Chess, Gross Chess, 8 stones chess, CWDA. Say we organize these in the same location. Worldwide there are always high travel costs. But besides that. If you organize the tournaments more or less separately in order to avoid fixture clashes as much as possible, you will have a huge schedule on your hands. Very unfeasible most likely. Fergus once proposed to hold each round with a different game. I don't think that is that fair either as some games are more drawish than others, for example. Moreover if we are talking about a swiss system then the games that are first are less important. And you won't get enough world championships to make enough permutations to make it at lest long term fair.
As of now (20th of January 2019) I don't see clear solutions to these problems.
Guys?
@Fergus
Hello
This preset: https://www.chessvariants.com/play/pbm/play.php?game=Apothecary+Chess+1&settings=Apothecary1working
still has errors as we had discussed before (an infinite cycle).
This one is virtually the same but lack the erros of the first one.
https://www.chessvariants.com/play/pbm/play.php?game=Apothecary+Chess+2&settings=Apothecary2working
They seem to similar to me and still apothecary 1 has errors. Could you please check? Maybe it is a problem with the system. Could you help? Thanks!...
@Greg
Would you agree the inclusion of the upgraded apothecary 1&2 into this years tournament provided that I can do (with Fergus's help) the rules enforcement and move displays in time?
An important thing would be to have only enforcing displaying presets.
@Fergus,
The knights are fine. It is just how these games work.
I'm not sure what could be wrong with the griffin and aanca code. I think I had just copy pasted what you had written a while ago. And we had talked about this before. But there could be the biggest trouble. Maybe tomorrow I'll take a look :)!
@Kevin
I had played Arimaa. There is not anti-cheating policy besides just saying don't do it :)!
As far as I know until now it worked :)!
For cyborg games the goal should be that the human players should make the final decision based on huge amounts of properly presented raw data.
The human part of the cyborg skills are not the same as sole human skills so I'm not sure if not establishing and elite in that setting plays any major part.
Today chess computing heads more and more towards machine learning.
And Kevin, one more thing about cyborg chess. I'm not sure how you would guarantee equal hardware usage. I guess you can make it a rule that everybody uses the same engine which is distributed very shortly before the competition starts so it won't be hacked. And it is also checked to be ok after each round. But this at first glance at least has the downside that everybody must use the same engine. I believe I can get around this but it's complicated to explain :)!
It's ok, not your fault Greg. I would have liked it though :)!
@Greg,
As you had assumed I'm still in.
I think presets that are rules enforcing and move displaying should be mandatory mostly because otherwise how you would notice errors made by both players? There are other issues easier to spot. But these would fall on you as organizers and who else would like to help as an serious tournament should first and foremost be fair. Also I'd help with such error detection tasks but isn't that a conflict of interest?
@Fergus
Hello!
There seems to be a bug which is a mild incovinience.
It seems to me that when clicking in the menu "Your games on game courier" you recieve the game finder of active and invitations. Each second time I see only invitations. It would be so cool if you took a look.
Thanks!
Here are the 2 cases. Why?
https://www.chessvariants.com/play/pbm/logs.php?stat=ongoing&age=7776000&sort=priority&userid=catugo
https://www.chessvariants.com/play/pbm/logs.php?stat=ongoing&age=7776000&sort=priority&userid={$userid}
It looks like I'm logged in and logged out but it is not the case as I'm always loged in :)!
The difference to to start from the way you enter the exact same link.
If I click my games on game courier I always find both active and challenges.
When I click confirm on a move during a game a window apears where I need to press "your logs" to come back to the same window as described above.
It seems to me that the conumdrum is in the way the userid gets paseed out of the difference you have pointed out Fergus :)!
As a temporary solution for users facing this problem would be to just use multiple tabs. This way the inconvenience is out and least until an opponet makes a move :)!
About the tournament containing my game I'd like to retreat it for now as I had anyway improved the rules and not completed the new preset. Is that fine guys?
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This looks like omega chess besides it's 10x10 board :)!