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Ok, let's go with the option #1, please make your 21 move again and we continue with the new rule.
Would it be difficult to implement ELO rating system here?
Well, and my play in this game with Gary was based on that such switching is possible. Actually, before playing 22. Re1, I specially checked this page to see if it is forbidden. The rule is important enough to be explicitely mentioned. For example, let's consider position in chess: White: Ke1, Qe2, Black: Ke8, Qe7. If white now plays Qe2-e6, queen usually first taken off from e2 and white king is temporarily in check. Still this move is legal in chess, because this is the end of the move when the king shouldn't be in check. So, I suggest two resolutions: 1) I play another move instead of 22. Re1 and we start using a new rules (pinned piece can't switch). 2) Gary takes a move back, which was based on assumptions that a pinned piece can't switch and we continue without this rule.
I played on several similar servers: ItsYourTurn, SchemingMind, CowPlay as well as here on Game Courier. Each server has something unique, but still BrainKing.com is my favorite. This is why I like BrainKing most: * very nice and convinient user interface * there are a lot of chess variants, including my favorite 'Loop chess' (Crazyhouse clone) and 'Dark chess' * ratings are calculated for each chess variants, so you can find opponent of the equal strength (actually I prefer playing against stronger opponents); this also adds more sporting interest in playing the games * there are many tournaments being held (with many players participating)
Fergus, can you please give an example of how to use 'swap' command?
By the way, does anybody tried to solve classical domination and independence problems for chancellor (rook + knight compound) and archbishop (bishop + knight). I.e.: 1) Is it possible to setup 8 archbishops on 8x8 board so, that they don't attack each others? 2) How many archbishops are needed to attack each square on the board? 3) as 1) but for for chancellor (trivial) 4) as 2) but for chancellor (difficult).
Does anybody have a statistics about current standings and how much games are still to be played?
Ok, now I was able to start the game against myself (using Internet Explorer). My mistake was that I didn't select an opponent in both browser windows. Here is my first impression of this chess variant, certainly this could be different if I played with a real opponent. The attempt to create a real-time chess variant is very original, may be Verve is a first such chess variant. I first thought that Verve is a variation of Dark Chess (if not count real-time way of play), but then noticed that it has complete different visiblity rules. It seems that in difference to Dark Chess in Verve too much information is visible, why didn't you want to use elegant and simple visibility rules of Dark Chess? Also not clear why you need to delay the game play when both players selected thier moves. I would suggest the following move synchronizations: * game starts * player A makes a move => the move immediately made on the board, because player B is not moved yet, player B doesn't know that A already moved => player A can't make a second move before player B moved or 10 (or whatever) sec are passed. * 10 sec are passed, but player B didn't make a move => player A can move now * player A moves, => move immediately performed * player B moves, => move immediately perfromed etc.
I tried play with myself using Internet Explorer 6.0, but failed to start the game. After I clicked on the oponnent I only saw 'Waiting www.vervechess.com' in both browser windows, but the game didn't start. How long is usually delay before the game starts?
Does your website works with Firefox browser? I wanted to try out your game (I was very interested because I am a Dark Chess fan), but was not able to start a game.
Thanks for creating a preset for this interesting game! One small remark: the preset can't yet detect a checkmate, see
<a href=/play/pbm/play.php?game=Balanced+Marseillais+Chess&log=rlavieri2003-andreas-2005-207-126>
this game</a>.
Greg, this was not me who added a link to BrainKing.com. You can check this by yourself, see history of the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ChessV&action=history In case of 'edit war' you should describe the situation on the discussion page of the article and ask other editors for mediation. By the way I just removed the link to BrainKing.com.
Are there a ZRF on this game? Does anybody already tried out how strong plays software sold on http://www.chaturanga.com ? From screenshot is looks quite professionally made.
After this match with Adams is especially amazing failure of Hydra in <a href=http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2461>Freestyle Chess Tournament</a>, where human players were allowed to consult computers. Hydra didn't even made it into quarter-finals and the winners were two amateur players, not even masters, who used three average desktop computers!
See Wikipedia's article on <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_control>Time control</a>:
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<i>In tournament chess the most common time controls for professionals are at 40/2, SD/1 time controls, which means that the first 40 moves must be made in two hours and then all remaining moves be made in an hour. Any extra time from the original two hours carries over to the sudden death time.</i>
One more game. I played it against myself, trying to find a forced win for black. As surprise, white won! 1. kg7 (*Bh8) Ph7 // white unpromotes bishop, there were no uncaptures possible, so a regular unmove is allowed 2. kh8 (*Pg7)?? Pf6 (*pg7)! White wins as black doesn't have any legal unmove now.
Another short game against Zillions: -1. kg7 (*Qh8) Qh4 (*rh8) ?? -2. rh7 (*Bh8)! White loses, as it can't remove check by bishop h8 to king on g7. I first thought that -1. kg7 (*Qh8) quarantees win for black, but then found the only defense: -1...Qh4(*bh8)!.
No restriction on pawn uncaptures (except that it can't be done on first or last rank) could probably lead to a too drawish game. A player just needs to delay pawn uncaptures until all other pieces are uncaptured and than try to uncapture all opponent's pawns on the same file. So, I would suggest the following rules: * Pawn uncapture is not allowed on the file where there is already pawn of the same color. For example, black can't uncapture white pawn on g-file if the file already contains another white pawn. * Uncapture is also not allowed if it produces a pawn, which is behind player's pawn. For example, black can't uncapture white pawn on g7 if there is already black pawn on g2. * A player can't uncapture more pieces then present in usual chess setup (light and dark-colored bishops are considered as different pieces). However if a player unpromotes one of his pieces, that piece becomes available for uncapture again. The game finished when: * A player reaches starting postion with his pieces (this player wins). * A player can't make a legal unmove (this player loses). There is already a ZRF file for this game without any restriction on uncaptures: 'Unplay Chess' by Karl Scherer (can be downloaded from Zillions of Games pages: http://www.zillions-of-games.com/cgi-bin/zilligames/submissions.cgi/26414?do=show;id=966 I slightly modified it to place white king on a1 and black on h8 in initial position. Here is my first game against Zillions (I played black): -1. kg8 (*Rh8) // black uncaptures white rook: kg8xh8 -1. . . . Pg7 (*rh8) ?? // white unpromotes the rook and uncaptures the black rook, undoing the move P g7xh8 R. This move loses the game. -2. rh7 (*Qh8)! // undoing rh7xh8. Black wins as white doesn't have any unmoves which wouldn't leave black king in check by queen on h8.
Another variation would be that the player, who reaches initial position first, wins. The game can start e.g. with white King on a1 and black one on h8 (or other postions to deversify the game). Then black starts with undoing the last move. As 'uncapturing' of pieces is disadvantageous and would never made otherwise, then it should be obligatory to 'uncapture', if possible. So the game could start (black moves are shown before white also in notation): -1. kg8 (*Qh8) // black uncaptures white queen, undoing the last move kg8xh8. -1. ... Qf6 (*nh8) // white undoes Qf6xh8 -2. nf7 (*Rh8) Rh1 (*bh8) -3. bg7 (*Rh8) Rh2 (*rh8) . . . etc. I need to think something more about uncapturing of pawns, but may be no restriction should be made here, so that if e.g. white leaved with doubled pawn and all black pieces already on the board, then white can't win anymore. If black in the same situation, then it is a draw. There should be probably a rule for uncapture of bishops to forbid that two bishops e.g. on light squares are produced.
Is it possible to switch ChessVariants pages to some kind of <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki>Wiki</a> system, like used by Wikipedia? Then there would be no shortage in authors, editing articles in Wiki system is very easy, every reader is a potential author!
I just recalled that Kasparov actually already invented a kind of new chess variant: 'Advanced Chess' (see e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Chess).
Can we expect that Kasparov comes up with a new chess variant, like Fisher did?
Thomas, I like Shogi preset with white marble board as well.
Which piece is stronger, General or Elephant? Is it worth to exchange General or Elephant for two pawns? Are there any writings from 1000 years ago about piece values in Shatranj :-) ?
Will we play in tournament a balanced version of Marseillais Chess or regular one? I would prefer balanced version.
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