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Tony Quintanilla wrote on Mon, Jul 15, 2002 04:53 AM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★

Very interesting game. I hope to try it out soon. The idea that assuming a
capturing posture is in effect part of the movement of a piece is
fascinating. 

A suggestion for a table-set: for a capturing posture, place the piece
slightly over the edge of the square towards which it is oriented. For
orientation of a piece, locate the piece just within the edge of the
square towards which it is oriented.

Regarding Ralph's aspirations to create a Chess variant that feels like
Go, one that is primarily intuitive, that would be great--although I
cannot claim to understand master level Chess thought. Kids play
intuitively, until they get 'spoiled' by reading Chess books! Intuitive
play is definitely more fun. I read that Capablanca played intuitively (I
guess he could get away with it because he was so brilliant), but that was
part of his downfall when he encountered players that studied a great
deal. In fact, part of the appeal of Chess variants is that they keep us
guessing. I have to say, though, that Zillions spoils the fun a little by
making it quite easy to study new games.

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Feeble Chess to Weakest Chess. Some Chess variants with weaker pieces. (8x8, Cells: 64)

George Duke wrote on Tue, Jul 19, 2011 09:16 PM UTC:Good ★★★★

Finding the weakest possible truly chess-like pieces is Betza's raison d'etre here. A different Betzan cv is Weak!, forty years old, Weak_Chess. ''The feeble rook's estimated value is one twelfth of a Rook,'' but a comment questions the positing of one twenty fourth, 1/24, more or less by the time it has become weakened to weakest. Actually this same Feeble has several classic Betza comments on Capablanca and the_Go/chess_interface.

George Duke wrote on Wed, May 20, 2009 06:19 PM UTC:

Betza's version down the column adding flipping to weakest chess means you move and threaten to take or check, but it does not count until you flip it the next convenient move, to carry it out and actually be able to capture or check. The first threat is so delayed a move or more. vice versa.

Sam Trenholme wrote on Fri, Feb 11, 2005 08:53 AM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★

I think this game will make a basis for a game that will be very difficult for computers to play. In fact, I have made a balanced four-move variant of the game that works like this: <ul> <li>White makes one move <li>Black makes two moves <li>White makes three moves <li>Black makes four moves <li>Both sides make four moves for the rest of the game </ul> This somewhat speeds up the game, while making the number of possible moves per side so large that standard alpha-deta searches that computer chess games use completely ineffective in this variant of the game. <p> It is the same idea as Arimaa, but not bounded by the copyright/patents that Arimaa has.

David Paulowich wrote on Thu, Sep 30, 2004 08:37 PM UTC:

Chris Witham asked 'Closer to the subject, what about strongest chess? A CV in which the pieces are as strong as posible while still being playable and resmbleing normal chess.' <p>Cavalry Chess (designed by Frank Maus in 1921) uses the the standard chess pieces, but with greatly increased powers. The knight in this game moves like a buffalo: the knight - camel - zebra compound. The game description page also includes a brief essay by Fergus Duniho comparing Cavalry Chess and his own Cavalier Chess.

gnohmon wrote on Wed, Jan 29, 2003 05:05 AM UTC:

A Feeble or Weakest version of the Berolina Pawn would have to start the
game aimed to move diagonally towards or across the center line.

The thing about Berolina Pawns is that they attack fewer squares but have
more mobility, and therefore are very difficult to block from promotion in
many endgames.

K+Berolina versus K is always a win except in the degenerate case of K
takes P, and except in the case Ka6 Pa7 K(b8 or c8).

Reasoning from this, I'd expect that the Feeble/Weakest Berolina Pawn
would be quite strong. The weakness of the enemy pieces would often allow
it to make a run for the goal line.

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