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Joe Joyce wrote on Sat, Nov 17, 2007 03:17 AM UTC:

George, I will not dispute any of your opinions about Chieftain Chess, but I must correct an assumption of yours as to the provenance of the pieces used in this game. If you would read the 6 oldest comments on this page:
http://www.chessvariants.org/index/listcomments.php?itemid=MSlemurianshatra
you will see the linear hero and shaman pieces actually used in the preset came from the bent hero and shaman pieces in Lemurian Shatranj, and they came from the zigzag pieces of Atlantean Barroom Shatranj. Those zigzag pieces are the bent version of the linear double-jumping pieces in Grand Shatranj, and those pieces are logical extensions of the modern elephant and warmachine I used in Great Shatranj. Great Shatranj is an outgrowth of Modern Shatranj, which grew from a conversation I had with Roberto Lavieri in Game Courier Tournament #2 during our game of historic Shatranj. As supporting evidence of the general thrust and timelines of my work on shatranj-style pieces and variants, I offer the ShortRange Project. I will also note that those same 6 bottom-most comments show the actual provenance of the 'sliding general', named the 'Hawklet' and used by Adrian King in a 16x16 [go Adrian!] called 'Jupiter'. The Padwar, chained or free, is the piece used by David Paulowich in Opulent Lemurian Shatranj, is a double-ferz piece, and is credited to Jetan by Mr. Paulowich. Mike Nelson compared Lemurian Shatranj to Jetan for feel, but said in a private communication they were not Jetan pieces. So I must thank you for the compliment, George; you are the second person to compare me to ERB. I am now doubly honored. But to the best of my knowledge, the dabbabah-wazir combinations I have used in Grand, Barroom, and Lemurian Shatranj are unique, and their step-by-step development can be clearly seen. Also, there are some speculative ideas/pieces in the wiki, for future projects. I am always happy to say that this person here or those people there came up with some piece or idea first, but here: first, I can establish a clear chain of pieces that includes and goes past the hero and shaman in my work, and second, the pieces are [probably] unique. At least, I don't think anyone has shown otherwise. When that changes, if it does, I'm sure the change will be noted here.
;-)
Enjoy,
Joe

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Chieftain Chess. Missing description (16x12, Cells: 192)

💡📝Joe Joyce wrote on Sun, Jan 23, 2011 03:11 PM UTC:

Hi, all. Again, no time. Kudos to Fergus for the preset - it effectively
does what I do in looking at [potential] moves. You've made it a little
easier to play the game. 

HG, I also am concerned about the possibility of draws here. But 4 chiefs
plus 2 men wins against 4 chiefs. I think a 1 man advantage should be
enough, as long as you can trap 1 chief. You force a chief for man trade,
and that's the game.

H. G. Muller wrote on Sun, Jan 23, 2011 01:37 PM UTC:

What do you mean by 'more moves'? More moves per turn (i.e. more Chieftains) or larger choice (better mobility)? I can see that 2 Chieftains against 1 can win, but essentially only by forcing the trade of one Chieftain. Or by stalemating, which is a technique that would not apply in earlier phases of the game. But forcing the trade of a Chieftain is not helpful to get ahead in the number of Chieftains, when you are still equal.

Nicholas Wolff wrote on Sun, Jan 23, 2011 09:38 AM UTC:

The secret is in having more moves than your opponent. If you can out-move your opponent, then victory will be much easier. A little harder if you have the same amount of pieces/moves.

H. G. Muller wrote on Sun, Jan 23, 2011 08:47 AM UTC:

I am a bit concerned about the winability of this variant. The royal piece is an all-powerful piece superior to a Queen (on 8x8 at least; the large board size might devaluate it a bit), while all other pieces are quite weak (sub-Rook). Have you ever figured out what it takes to checkmate a bare Chieftain? I guess multiple Chieftains could do it, because it gives you the advantage of multi-move as well as their great intrinsic power. But if you also have only a single Chieftain, how many other pieces to you need to force a win?

💡📝Joe Joyce wrote on Sun, Jan 23, 2011 05:27 AM UTC:

Fergus, looks great! Can't talk. Pieces only move once per turn. Preset handled an ambiguous situation well - saw the gray-background leader icon in that situation - nice touch. Really gotta go now. Thanks.

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